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04-17-2019 , 11:31 AM

#14451

SenorKeeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prana

Then keed would be talking about the accuracy of anonymous comments for days on end.

fair

04-17-2019 , 11:33 AM

#14452

NhlNut

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04-17-2019 , 11:48 AM

#14453

SenorKeeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

The only reason to even mention the party affiliation of anyone involved in any investigation of a politician is to de-legitimize anything damaging that's uncovered. Everyone knows this except Trumpkins. Actually many Trumpkins know it too but they won't admit it.

That's certainly not why I brought it up. I brought it up to argue against the idea pushed by many ITT that Barr could make inappropriate redactions to the Mueller report and not have that challenged by Mueller or his team. Mueller is a Republican, sure, but 13 of the 17 lawyers who worked for him are Democrats. Why would they let Barr redact stuff that the public should be made aware of?

04-17-2019 , 11:53 AM

#14454

Effen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

That's certainly not why I brought it up. I brought it up to argue against the idea pushed by many ITT that Barr could make inappropriate a redactions to the Mueller report and not have that challenged by Mueller or his team. Mueller is a Republican, sure, but 13 of the 17 lawyers who worked for him are Democrats. Why would they let Barr redact stuff that the public should be made aware of?

You had no idea it was 13 of the 17 until someone said that. You were just parroting the tweets of a senile moron. Lol.

04-17-2019 , 11:56 AM

#14455

Max Cut

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good-faith keeeeeeeed

hand waves it all away because too easy peasy to be outed in these whistle-blower friendly times and then admits he would shift goal posts anyway

04-17-2019 , 11:56 AM

#14456

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

I tend to believe they wouldn't let Barr nor anyone else misrepresent their findings, but that's just my personal belief. I also believe their political party affiliation would have little to nothing to do with that if they're actual professionals and not a bunch of hacks (like Barr).

04-17-2019 , 11:59 AM

#14457

dinopoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

They could leak it to the Times or the Post and ask for anonymity. And you don't think any of these guys made personal copies of the report for themselves for just this sort of scenario, to prevent whitewashing by the Trump administration? Not too hard to make a copy on a SIM card or something, Snowden did it at the NSA ffs.

And even if no one on the Mueller team has made such a copy for insurance against whitewashing (which, come on) they could still go to the Times and say that this section is improperly redacted, this is what it says, this is what Barr is trying to hide. It would be easy and their anonymity would be protected.

You're living in fantasyland. The lawyers subordinate to Mueller will not have seen his report prior to him sending it to the AG.

04-17-2019 , 12:13 PM

#14458

SenorKeeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Effen

You had no idea it was 13 of the 17 until someone said that. You were just parroting the tweets of a senile moron. Lol.

the Washington Post confirmed that 12 or 13 of those dudes are Democrats.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...about-Mueller/

04-17-2019 , 12:15 PM

#14459

realDonaldTrump

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( twitter | raw text )

04-17-2019 , 12:15 PM

#14460

dth123451

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**** off, Keed. Seriously, just **** the **** off.

04-17-2019 , 12:16 PM

#14461

realDonaldTrump

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( twitter | raw text )

04-17-2019 , 12:16 PM

#14462

SenorKeeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

I agree, and it doesn't seem like Mueller is a hack. I was making this argument because folks were saying that Mueller is a Republican hack and that Mueller would help Barr undermine the Mueller investigation. That's when I brought up that Mueller's team is almost all Democrats. These guys are going to go along with this conspiracy? It's ridiculous.

04-17-2019 , 12:23 PM

#14463

smacc25

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Might have been some confusion there.

Nope..

not by me.

04-17-2019 , 12:39 PM

#14464

GermanGuy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by realDonaldTrump

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Serious question to catholics: isn‘t it borderline offensive to wish someone a Happy Easter while it‘s still lent?

04-17-2019 , 12:45 PM

#14465

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Great post Bob, and a link that's worth bookmarking.

With family in Czechia and as a frequent visitor there I can confirm what's been said about parts of Eastern Europe.

Anecdotally even I, as an obviously British-looking white guy, got jostled badly by three Czechs during a Pearl Jam gig in Prague twenty years ago (which has never happened elsewhere), so god knows what happens to black tourists there.

Bummer. Pretty good shot of me living in Prague in a few months. Loved visiting but probably won't love the racism.

04-17-2019 , 12:56 PM

#14466

jalfrezi

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You'll find the food has picked up a great deal, with the biggest surprise (to me anyway) being a number of Vietnamese restaurants offering decent quality grub.

04-17-2019 , 12:57 PM

#14467

uDevil

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Does Trump think the pope lives at Notre Dame or something? It's Francis' Mar-a-Lago?

04-17-2019 , 01:07 PM

#14468

superleeds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanGuy

Serious question to catholics: isn‘t it borderline offensive to wish someone a Happy Easter while it‘s still lent?

Serious question to catholics: Hasn't your ****ing church got enough money to do its own rebuilding or is it all tied up in possible future kiddie fiddling payoffs?

04-17-2019 , 01:14 PM

#14469

suzzer99

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There's enough wealth on display in the Vatican to end world hunger for 100 years.

04-17-2019 , 01:18 PM

#14470

Trolly McTrollson

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Notre Dame cathedral is owned by the state, guys.

04-17-2019 , 01:32 PM

#14471

superleeds

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That was a surprise Trolly

however

“Due to France’s laws regarding secularization, the French government owns all churches built before 1905, including Notre-Dame.

“The government lets the Archdiocese of Paris use the building for free, and will continue to do so in perpetuity. The Archdiocese of Paris is responsible for the upkeep of the church, as well as for paying employees.”

Doesn't this come under upkeep?

04-17-2019 , 01:38 PM

#14472

grizy

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Almost certainly. A perpetual triple net lease sounds like ownership in all but name.

In fact, it’s better than ownership because (I assume) it means no property taxes.

04-17-2019 , 01:45 PM

#14473

dth123451

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Catholic Church doesn’t pay taxes, duh. Their only major expenses are related to their multigenerational kiddie rape sex cult.

04-17-2019 , 01:46 PM

#14474

grizy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanGuy

Serious question to catholics: isn‘t it borderline offensive to wish someone a Happy Easter while it‘s still lent?

I see where you’re coming from but I don’t think so.

Lent, to me and I think a lot of other semi-secular (barely practicing) Catholics (this describes a lot of Catholics in NY and Europe) is just a time of reflection. I even know guys that timed their cut cycles to coincide with lent then give up something like peanut butter.

04-17-2019 , 01:48 PM

#14475

Soulman

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Originally Posted by d10

I'm jealous. I meant the US-centric "we" though. Also without knowing anything about Scandinavia I'm assuming your secularism is driven by culture rather than government abolition of all religious institutions.

Yeah, the people are generally less and less interested in religion (with small exceptions, like Catholicism getting a small revival due to an influx of workers from eastern europe). The latter has, as you know, been tried and obviously failed spectacularly.

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