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Old 04-16-2019, 11:43 AM   #14326
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I'm going to at least skim the whole four ****ing hundred pages. After almost four years of speculation, there will be some concrete facts. "Nothing matters," "waaf" is bull****.
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:52 AM   #14327
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How is Barr going to ensure that Mueller and his team of killers play along with his scheme?
Even if Mueller and Co were to publicly contradict anything Barr or Trump says, which is very unlikely, both because Barr probably didnít say anything that was black and white wrong and because they seem like people who adhere to conventional morals and whatnot, theyíve got like zero leverage now. Hereís how it goes:

Mueller: AG Bart has willfully misrepresented the conclusions of our report.

Trump: MADMAN Mueller spies on me for two years and couldnít find anything! Now heís saying the exact opposite of what HiS OWN report says. Crazy!!

Mueller: Here are some general examples and documents Iím talking about, but I will never release them or specify because that is possibly illegal.

Trump: Turns out Mueller was the biggest leaker of them all. They canít do things according to the law, so now theyíre using FAKE News to smear me again.

Voters: maybe next years tax cut will be even bigger.
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:56 AM   #14328
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What can they do that would possibly concern Barr?
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Even if Mueller and Co were to publicly contradict anything Barr or Trump says, which is very unlikely, both because Barr probably didn’t say anything that was black and white wrong and because they seem like people who adhere to conventional morals and whatnot, they’ve got like zero leverage now. Here’s how it goes:

Mueller: AG Bart has willfully misrepresented the conclusions of our report.

Trump: MADMAN Mueller spies on me for two years and couldn’t find anything! Now he’s saying the exact opposite of what HiS OWN report says. Crazy!!

Mueller: Here are some general examples and documents I’m talking about, but I will never release them or specify because that is possibly illegal.

Trump: Turns out Mueller was the biggest leaker of them all. They can’t do things according to the law, so now they’re using FAKE News to smear me again.

Voters: maybe next years tax cut will be even bigger.
They can say that some of the redactions are inappropriate and hide important information. Mueller and his team supposedly helped in the redactions, and if Barr redacts some additional stuff that Mueller or his team think is important to make public I don't see what would stop them from saying so. I suspect that Mueller or his team making statements like that would attract some media attention.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:00 PM   #14329
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NYT: Barr Affirms Trump’s Innocence Following Mueller Disclosures
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:01 PM   #14330
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in theory they could leak the unredacted report or even the whole case file, but that seems unlikely
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:03 PM   #14331
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in theory they could leak the unredacted report or even the whole case file, but that seems unlikely
how about leaking specific sections that Barr redacted in a way they felt was inappropriate? Doesn't seem far-fetched to me.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:15 PM   #14332
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Man it's just inconceivable how a lifelong Republican cop could go along with whatever a Republican AG stooge decided was the best way to disseminate info. You would have to have existed in the real world for at least a whole minute before you could begin to understand how that would play out.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:18 PM   #14334
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So Mueller is in on the conspiracy to undermine the Mueller investigation. Such a power play by Trump, hats off. Masterful.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:21 PM   #14335
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So Mueller is in on the conspiracy to undermine the Mueller investigation. Such a power play by Trump, hats off. Masterful.
lol Like I said, you have to exist in the real world to get it, not in keeed fantasy argue everything from first-principles imaginationland.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:24 PM   #14336
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She needs to quit congress and go off the grid.
F that. She needs to come out and say, "All you psycho followers of Donald Trump don't scare me. I won't stop fighting for what I believe in and if you want to show how tough you are by threatening a 105lb woman then feel free, but it won't stop me from fighting for the American people."
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The idea Trump won't accept a 2020 election loss seems more and more plausible
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:26 PM   #14338
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lol Like I said, you have to exist in the real world to get it, not in keeed fantasy argue everything from first-principles imaginationland.
OK man, walk me through it. Why would Mueller and his team be perfectly content to inappropriately let Barr hide important information from the public about the investigation they they spent two years of their life working on?
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So Mueller is in on the conspiracy to undermine the Mueller investigation. Such a power play by Trump, hats off. Masterful.
We'd have to see the summaries Mueller wrote on the investigation to know what he thought but Barr hid those and wrote his own.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:27 PM   #14340
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We'd have to see the summaries Mueller wrote on the investigation to know what he thought but Barr hid those and wrote his own.
In a couple of days we'll get to read the report, so who cares?
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:28 PM   #14341
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OK man, walk me through it. Why would Mueller and his team be perfectly content to inappropriately let Barr hide important information from the public about the investigation they they spent two years of their life working on?
They aren't, that's why there have been leaks from within the team stating the report was more damaging than Barr claimed
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:29 PM   #14342
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It's pretty absurd that they even had to put out a response to his nonsense.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:29 PM   #14343
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OK man, walk me through it. Why would Mueller and his team be perfectly content to inappropriately let Barr hide important information from the public about the investigation they they spent two years of their life working on?
How about his logic will be something like: he did his job by submitting the report, doesn't want to be part of the political process, and now is leaving it up to congress/the public to decide what to do in however way they'd like to proceed.
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In a couple of days we'll get to read the report, so who cares?
No we won't, we'll see a watered down version that Barr puts out to make the president look as good as possible.

Mueller's summary would have explained everything without needing redactions.

We both know why Barr hid those
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:34 PM   #14345
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* Unless you're the POTUS, and every golfer who votes for him should be ashamed. Honestly to anyone who has ever golfed, the stories about him golfing should be disqualifying in and of themselves. They demonstrate his horrible character and complete lack of regard for others. If I was totally clueless as to his politics, and saw him kick a ball into the fairway and drive his cart right up to the green, I'd already know all I needed to know. You want to measure someone's character in four hours? Go play a round of golf. You'll see him or her in moments of triumph, dejection and frustration, and get a good idea of their moral compass.
This, this, and more this.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:41 PM   #14346
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OK man, walk me through it. Why would Mueller and his team be perfectly content to inappropriately let Barr hide important information from the public about the investigation they they spent two years of their life working on?
I don't know. Why would he? How about you walk me through your own guess first. Thanks.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:45 PM   #14347
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How about his logic will be something like: he did his job by submitting the report, doesn't want to be part of the political process, and now is leaving it up to congress/the public to decide what to do in however way they'd like to proceed.
Which makes sense as long as Barr isn't withholding important information from the Congress. Why would Mueller and his entire team (many who are Democrats) let Barr get away with withholding his investigation's important findings from the public and the Congress?
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:51 PM   #14348
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Because Barr will use a pretextual legal argument to justify the redaction, and it is Congess’s job to challenge Barr’s argument with Trump’s Supreme Court being the ultimate arbiter of their dispute. At a minimum, giving Trump lots more time to delegitimizate the report and claim he has been exonerated (with your help, of course).

You know, a corruption of the legal process that you have absolutely zero trouble understanding when used against your freak boy, Assange.

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Old 04-16-2019, 12:51 PM   #14349
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They can say that some of the redactions are inappropriate and hide important information. Mueller and his team supposedly helped in the redactions, and if Barr redacts some additional stuff that Mueller or his team think is important to make public I don't see what would stop them from saying so. I suspect that Mueller or his team making statements like that would attract some media attention.
Heavens-to-Betsy, media attention! Well, Iím sure that will scare Trump and his associates straight.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:56 PM   #14350
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Because Barr will use a pretextual legal argument to justify the redaction, and it is Congess’s job to challenge Barr’s argument with Trump’s Supreme Court being the ultimate arbiter of their dispute.

You know, a corruption of the legal process that you have absolutely zero trouble understanding when used against your freak boy, Assange.
I don't think it would be illegal for Mueller or someone on his team to publicly say that Barr's redactions of the report were inappropriate, too broad, or hid crucial information that ought to be public. And that itself would be a major story. And of course Mueller or his team could anonymously leak the relevant unredacted sections of the report, either to the Congress or to the press.
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