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Old 04-15-2019, 02:07 PM   #14226
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

He is just acting dumb there so he will fit in with his fans.
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:18 PM   #14227
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I'm sure that the French firefighters know what they're doing.

But it does make you wonder if the kinds of planes they use on CA wildfires could help. Are they accurate enough? They use helicopters too. I'm sure those could help.
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:18 PM   #14228
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Excellent thinking Don. Clearly the Paris firefighters haven't thought this thing through. Summon all the flying water tankers immediately.
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:36 PM   #14229
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Perhaps Angry Democrats/Antifa started the blaze?
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:54 PM   #14230
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i offer my thoughts and prayers to this cathedral
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:59 PM   #14231
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:00 PM   #14232
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Just tear it down and build a public school or an art museum. Jesus's time is over, and it was a disaster.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:01 PM   #14233
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:01 PM   #14234
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Should get Tiger Woods to put out that fire. Dude is a beast.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:12 PM   #14235
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Just tear it down and build a public school or an art museum. Jesus's time is over, and it was a disaster.
Either bad joke or speaking like a true american?
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:15 PM   #14236
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I mean, say what you want about the Catholic Church, but Notre Dame is an all time great artistic achievement of humanity.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:17 PM   #14237
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Religion is the opiate of the people. I wouldn't have torn it down, but if somebody decided to set it on fire I wouldn't put it out
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:26 PM   #14238
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My kid just did a report on Stevie Wonder. Dude worked for 15 years, putting his career aside for part of it, to try to get MLK Day to be a national holiday. President Obama eventually awarded him the Medal of Freedom partly because of that.


Trump is giving the Medal of Freedom to his golf buddy.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:32 PM   #14239
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I'm sure that the French firefighters know what they're doing.

But it does make you wonder if the kinds of planes they use on CA wildfires could help. Are they accurate enough? They use helicopters too. I'm sure those could help.
Think about how much water weighs, I donít think it lands like a gentle shower.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:38 PM   #14240
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Ya, you'd probably just end up demolishing the building instead of putting the fire out.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:45 PM   #14241
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Think about how much water weighs, I donít think it lands like a gentle shower.
Helicopter with less water?
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:49 PM   #14242
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Just tear it down and build a public school or an art museum. Jesus's time is over, and it was a disaster.
So do you destroy the Pantheon too?

This is in the ballpark of the Taliban blowing up Buddhist statues imo.

It's a beautiful iconic building and it means everything to Parisians.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:51 PM   #14243
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Helicopter with less water?


Or maybe higher up, I’m basing this on that forest fire movie with John Goodman in it.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:53 PM   #14244
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So do you destroy the Pantheon too?

This is in the ballpark of the Taliban blowing up Buddhist statues imo.

It's a beautiful iconic building and it means everything to Parisians.
The Pantheon and the Buddhist statues were one of a kind, you can't go a kilometer in France without bumping into a beautiful old church.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:02 PM   #14245
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Notre Dame is pretty cool in its own right.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:11 PM   #14246
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So do you destroy the Pantheon too?

This is in the ballpark of the Taliban blowing up Buddhist statues imo.

It's a beautiful iconic building and it means everything to Parisians.
Parisians will survive its destruction. I think youíll be surprised by how little it means to people.

Nobody today believes the gods worshipped in the pantheon are real so thereís no point in destroying it or Egyptian relics or what have you from lost civilizations. Religion is an anchor around humanityís neck (with the exception of satanism, which is objectively cool af)

During the French Revolution, a group of good guys tried to dechristianize France and replace the church with a "cult of reason":
In ceremonies devised and organised by Chaumette, churches across France were transformed into modern Temples of Reason. The largest ceremony of all was at the cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. The Christian altar was dismantled and an altar to Liberty was installed and the inscription "To Philosophy" was carved in stone over the cathedral's doors. Festive girls in white Roman dress and tricolor sashes milled around a costumed Goddess of Reason who "impersonated Liberty". A flame burned on the altar which was symbolic of truth. To avoid statuary and idolatry, the Goddess figures were portrayed by living women, and in Paris the role was played by Momoro's own wife Sophie, who is said to have dressed "provocatively" and, according to Thomas Carlyle, "made one of the best Goddesses of Reason; though her teeth were a little defective."
It was a really good idea and worth trying again
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:13 PM   #14247
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I'm sure that the French firefighters know what they're doing.

But it does make you wonder if the kinds of planes they use on CA wildfires could help. Are they accurate enough? They use helicopters too. I'm sure those could help.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:20 PM   #14248
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Parisians will survive its destruction. I think youíll be surprised by how little it means to people.



Nobody today believes the gods worshipped in the pantheon are real so thereís no point in destroying it or Egyptian relics or what have you from lost civilizations. Religion is an anchor around humanityís neck (with the exception of satanism, which is objectively cool af)



During the French Revolution, a group of good guys tried to dechristianize France and replace the church with a "cult of reason":
In ceremonies devised and organised by Chaumette, churches across France were transformed into modern Temples of Reason. The largest ceremony of all was at the cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. The Christian altar was dismantled and an altar to Liberty was installed and the inscription "To Philosophy" was carved in stone over the cathedral's doors. Festive girls in white Roman dress and tricolor sashes milled around a costumed Goddess of Reason who "impersonated Liberty". A flame burned on the altar which was symbolic of truth. To avoid statuary and idolatry, the Goddess figures were portrayed by living women, and in Paris the role was played by Momoro's own wife Sophie, who is said to have dressed "provocatively" and, according to Thomas Carlyle, "made one of the best Goddesses of Reason; though her teeth were a little defective."
It was a really good idea and worth trying again


Iím an atheist


ND is f amazing


To think it was built when it was built. Itís astounding.

Also it took not decades to build but centuries.

The main parallel in our lifetime is the church in Barcelona. LSF
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:39 PM   #14249
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The ROTW really need to stop responding to Trump as if he is anything other than the complete ****wit he is.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:55 PM   #14250
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I feel like this should go without saying, but the destruction of irreplaceable, priceless architecture and artifacts from human history is a bad thing. The idea that it's somehow ok because the current caretaker holds some views that don't align with some current political ideology you hold is pretty ****ed up, not far removed from the anti-environmental crowd shrugging their shoulders at the permanent loss of millions of species because saving them might cause a dip in this quarter's stock returns. Christianity, for all its problems, is not going to fall because a church burns down, but humanity will be worse off for losing that piece of our history.
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