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Old 01-05-2019, 10:51 PM   #1351
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that wasnt your earlier questions, but yes to both.

the livelihood of a million people is worth it.

now sftu with your stupid gotcha skalansky questions. I am sure you could come up with other hypotheticals that I disagree with. but noze nailed it as peak white.

I care for others. you care about yourself. its pretty disgusting. and no surprise you and rep are on the same side here.
I’m worried about 53 million people you are worried about 600,000 but I’m a selfish ass.

Solid logic.

Also, rep and I are so commonly on the same side. More solid logic.

Thank god you are not in government or Trump would have totally free reign.
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:56 PM   #1352
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I’ll also note my position denies the worst authoritarian president of all time what he wants while yours is a complete capitulation to him.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:02 PM   #1353
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At some point giving him the wall is worth it, right?

Like if we can get all of:
- Instant citizenship for Dreamers
- Medicare for all
- PR and DC statehood
- All congressional districts drawn by non-partisan commission
- Green new deal
- AOC style tax policy

it's worth the stupid ****ing wall, right?

(I realize that this is unrealistic, but just entertain the hypothetical for a minute)
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:07 PM   #1354
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At some point giving him the wall is worth it, right?

Like if we can get all of:
- Instant citizenship for Dreamers
- Medicare for all
- PR and DC statehood
- All congressional districts drawn by non-partisan commission
- Green new deal
- AOC style tax policy

it's worth the stupid ****ing wall, right?

(I realize that this is unrealistic, but just entertain the hypothetical for a minute)

Of course, but the opposite is also obviously true, not anything is worth DACA. That is why this is not an obvious deal either way, no matter how much victor wants to pat himself on the back for the being the only person itt who cares about immigrants.

We are basically talking about the trolley problem here. I知 willing to pull the lever to save 5 people even if I know one will die.

Like the trolly problem, trading the wall is a complex ethical problem, not a slam dunk.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:14 PM   #1355
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As I side note, I’m not in love with all of AOCs tax plan. I’m all for a wealth tax and way way higher estate tax (with some exceptions for first generation transfer) but 70+% income taxes seem ill-advised and are sure to curtail innovation.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:17 PM   #1356
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As I side note, I知 not in love with all of AOCs tax plan. I知 all for a wealth tax and way way higher estate tax (with some exceptions for first generation transfer) but 70+% income taxes seem ill-advised and are sure to curtail innovation.
Good thing nobody gives a **** what you think
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:18 PM   #1357
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LOLinnovation
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:23 PM   #1358
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Of course, but the opposite is also obviously true, not anything is worth DACA. That is why this is not an obvious deal either way, no matter how much victor wants to pat himself on the back for the being the only person itt who cares about immigrants.

We are basically talking about the trolley problem here. I知 willing to pull the lever to save 5 people even if I know one will die.

Like the trolly problem, trading the wall is a complex ethical problem, not a slam dunk.
I can accept this, even if we disagree on what the point of "give him the wall" is.

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As I side note, I知 not in love with all of AOCs tax plan. I知 all for a wealth tax and way way higher estate tax (with some exceptions for first generation transfer) but 70+% income taxes seem ill-advised and are sure to curtail innovation.
OMG no.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:23 PM   #1359
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I don't think the wall is worth anything they would realistically give up.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:28 PM   #1360
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Taxes on the rich need to be way way higher. I just think it’s better to tax them at the wealth and estate levels, rather than income tax.

You can design a tax plan that gains the same funds. Something like. 0.5% wealth tax and 55% estate tax would raise trillions I assume.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:29 PM   #1361
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As I side note, I知 not in love with all of AOCs tax plan. I知 all for a wealth tax and way way higher estate tax (with some exceptions for first generation transfer) but 70+% income taxes seem ill-advised and are sure to curtail innovation.
lol
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:31 PM   #1362
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Keep laughing but when you stifle innovation jerb creators all around this great country will have crying bootstraps, and stuff.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:36 PM   #1363
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As I side note, I知 not in love with all of AOCs tax plan. I知 all for a wealth tax and way way higher estate tax (with some exceptions for first generation transfer) but 70+% income taxes seem ill-advised and are sure to curtail innovation.
Jfc its not 70%. Seriously dude, try not be ****ing stupid. Just try.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:38 PM   #1364
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:39 PM   #1365
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Jfc its not 70%. Seriously dude, try not be ****ing stupid. Just try.
Normally I hate lol responses but lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/polit...lan/index.html

Before the ideological purists sharpen their knives I literally posted yesterday AOC is becoming my favorite politician. I’m not disagreeing with her overall plan, just how to get there.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:40 PM   #1366
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I知 worried about 53 million people you are worried about 600,000 but I知 a selfish ass.

Solid logic.

Also, rep and I are so commonly on the same side. More solid logic.

Thank god you are not in government or Trump would have totally free reign.
Dude it has little to no effect on the 53m ppl. But it massivelu improves the quality of life nearly a million.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:42 PM   #1367
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Normally I hate lol responses but lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/polit...lan/index.html
Jfc read your own link.

And again, try. Just try. Just please try not be a complete imbecile.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:42 PM   #1368
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Maybe we can trade him for a mini wall? Kind of like the Stonehenge sculptures in Spinal Tap.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:43 PM   #1369
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Normally I hate lol responses but lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/polit...lan/index.html
FFS we know what marginal tax rates are do you?
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:44 PM   #1370
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Hey clovis, heres a hypothetical for you. I make 10 mirrion dollars. AOC wants me to pay how much in taxes?

A. 70% ie 7mill.
B. Some other number.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:45 PM   #1371
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FFS we know what marginal tax rates are do you?
I do thanks. Did I make some claim that the full income would be taxed 70%?
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:47 PM   #1372
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Hey clovis, heres a hypothetical for you. I make 10 mirrion dollars. AOC wants me to pay how much in taxes?

A. 70% ie 7mill.
B. Some other number.
Good one. You got me. You can take a break from patting yourself on the back for being the only white guy on earth who cares about dreamers to pat yourself on the back for a real good zinger.

Oh wait, I made no such claim anywhere.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:47 PM   #1373
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I do thanks. Did I make some claim that the full income would be taxed 70%?
So you’re against returning to the tax rate from the 50’s to the 80’s when huge amounts of growth took place?
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:53 PM   #1374
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So you池e against returning to the tax rate from the 50痴 to the 80痴 when huge amounts of growth took place?
Look up 10 posts. Jesus people痴 reactions to want lock step purity is tiring.

Let me say this again. I can稚 be more clear.

I agree with AOCs overall plans

I agree taxes on the rich should be way way higher.

I知 simply arguing a technical point that wealth and estate taxes are a better way to raise those funds.

Of course, there will 100% be posts following this one that call me a secret GOPer who wants to cut taxes on the rich.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:55 PM   #1375
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At some point giving him the wall is worth it, right?

Like if we can get all of:
- Instant citizenship for Dreamers
- Medicare for all
- PR and DC statehood
- All congressional districts drawn by non-partisan commission
- Green new deal
- AOC style tax policy

it's worth the stupid ****ing wall, right?

(I realize that this is unrealistic, but just entertain the hypothetical for a minute)
Why? The core of this dumb derail is about something that is never ever ever going to be proposed, let alone accepted, by anybody. I don't understand what purpose this thought experiment is supposed to serve.

I'd sell one of my pinkies for $10 million, but since it is incredibly unlikely that someone will offer me that deal, the only effect of me spitballing the scenario is it gives the impression I would consider parting with a finger even though that is something I'm absolutely not going to do under any plausible real-world situation. I'm keeping my fingers and Trump can shove his stupid ****ing wall up his fat ****ing ass.
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