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Old 04-08-2019, 02:44 PM   #13626
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

The occasional meta-discussion may be a good thing. When I first started lurking 2+2 (both before and after I made an account) I would stop by and see what was going on in the Politics Forum.

From my outside vantage point, I was struck by the preponderance of posters and posts from a Libertarian/AC perspective. Many threads and discussions were driven by the AC gang (not to say that there wasn't a bunch of vigorous discussions). I did not possess the energy, passion, or desire to join in on those discussions since it seemed that adding one more voice to the "other side" in an attempt to swim upstream against the raging forum zeitgeist would not alter anything and would be personally unsatisfying.

Today's forum zeitgeist is much different, of course. Many of the reasons why a politics forum would be vastly changed from 2008-2010 to 2017-2019 are obvious. But many of the same "outsider" viewpoints remain. I suppose non-regulars may feel today what I felt 10 years ago. But that is not a failing of the forum.

People with different perspectives are welcome and encouraged to post as much or as little as they choose. They probably will not be able to "win" as many of the debates as they think they deserve on the merits, but vigorous discussions are guaranteed, and that is a key to a successful internet forum.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:46 PM   #13627
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You know you could always look at posts around the one you're replying to before you assume they're directed at you
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:49 PM   #13628
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:57 PM   #13629
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Learn to read.
I even quoted the relevant post and bolded it for you and everything, enjoy your continuing idiotic derail I guess.
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:00 PM   #13630
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The occasional meta-discussion may be a good thing. When I first started lurking 2+2 (both before and after I made an account) I would stop by and see what was going on in the Politics Forum.

From my outside vantage point, I was struck by the preponderance of posters and posts from a Libertarian/AC perspective. Many threads and discussions were driven by the AC gang (not to say that there wasn't a bunch of vigorous discussions). I did not possess the energy, passion, or desire to join in on those discussions since it seemed that adding one more voice to the "other side" in an attempt to swim upstream against the raging forum zeitgeist would not alter anything and would be personally unsatisfying.

Today's forum zeitgeist is much different, of course. Many of the reasons why a politics forum would be vastly changed from 2008-2010 to 2017-2019 are obvious. But many of the same "outsider" viewpoints remain. I suppose non-regulars may feel today what I felt 10 years ago. But that is not a failing of the forum.

People with different perspectives are welcome and encouraged to post as much or as little as they choose. They probably will not be able to "win" as many of the debates as they think they deserve on the merits, but vigorous discussions are guaranteed, and that is a key to a successful internet forum.
Oddly enough, to some extent that "gang" remains in tact and has generally shifted towards being very anti-Trump now. (I was never ACist, but was a firmly libertarian poster 2007-2009.)
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:01 PM   #13631
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I even quoted the relevant post and bolded it for you and everything, enjoy your continuing idiotic derail I guess.
In your world he said only Americans care about cheating on their spouse? What colour is the sky in this world?

He was talking about the unique obsession Americans have with the subject, but of course you know that. You just assume the least generous reading of his post so you can claim an internet victory even when you absolutely know he wasnít making the point you claim he was making.
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:09 PM   #13632
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In your world he said only Americans care about cheating on their spouse? What colour is the sky in this world?

He was talking about the unique obsession Americans have with the subject, but of course you know that. You just assume the least generous reading of his post so you can claim an internet victory even when you absolutely know he wasnít making the point you claim he was making.
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One big problem in this thread is posters are all or nothing on a lot of subjects and are really fast to bring extreme equivalences to weight in their argumentation.
Calling this the worst derail of all time is so shortsighted I feel bad I have to explain the difference but hey:
that cheating/fidelity/morality/marriage and who has the good/right values is omnipresent in america, be it from the gossip press angle or from the politicians campaigning points (look my opponent is unfaithfull trash,etc...).
It's literally everywhere all the time, the stuff that can break careers and lives.
And yet you guys are saying this is a worst derail than which airport is the best, how bad is a well done steak etc...
Now I would say that this is specifically an american issue, that's my personnal impression from life outside of america.
Then you could also say I'm out of touch cause america is the moral compass of the world.
Believe it or not this american compass is not really popular elsewhere.
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:14 PM   #13633
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:17 PM   #13634
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:18 PM   #13635
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Oddly enough, to some extent that "gang" remains in tact and has generally shifted towards being very anti-Trump now. (I was never ACist, but was a firmly libertarian poster 2007-2009.)
Yes, I should have made clearer that Libertarians are distinct from ACists (though there is a fair amount of overlap in their views). But, to my defense, I was painting with a broad brush.
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:25 PM   #13636
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hoped I didn't have to clarify but let me reformulate for nitpickers :

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Now I would say that this is specifically an american issue, that's my personnal impression from life outside of america.
it's obviously not unique to america but what is unique is that it's a core issue in such disproportionate ways to other countries.
I mean wtf this is really well known stuff, you have to be really in bad faith or isolated to recognize this.
It's actually a common topic I've heard all my life , that american relationship with morality and sex (pls don't nitpick that and make me write a whole other useless explanation).
Now that discussion I never had it about other countries. (to the same extent,get it?)
Go figure why

cliffs:it's CORE to america,more pronounced,etc...
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:37 PM   #13637
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:43 PM   #13638
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cliffs:it's CORE to america,more pronounced,etc...
My bad.
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:54 PM   #13639
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Guys, guys---yes there is a history of "family values" being weaponized, and yes the left has fallen for battling on that field hook, line and sinker as they have with supporting the troops, tough on crime and many others, but give your ****ing head a shake. There is currently a president who cheated on his wife who just gave birth, with a porn star, and has dozens of interviews being...um....not puritan. And he is at 90% plus approval by the self-described Christian conservatives. So no, we don't ACTUALLY care that much.

The issue is not the craaaazy American moral compass, it is of disingenuous political posturing, even if some *gasp* liberals think that lying to your spouse to get some strange outside of the agreement you made with them is an indication of questionable trustworthiness.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:13 PM   #13640
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hoped I didn't have to clarify but let me reformulate for nitpickers :


it's obviously not unique to america but what is unique is that it's a core issue in such disproportionate ways to other countries.
I mean wtf this is really well known stuff, you have to be really in bad faith or isolated to recognize this.
It's actually a common topic I've heard all my life , that american relationship with morality and sex (pls don't nitpick that and make me write a whole other useless explanation).
Now that discussion I never had it about other countries. (to the same extent,get it?)
Go figure why

cliffs:it's CORE to america,more pronounced,etc...
They know this. They are arguing in bad faith period.
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"Shall", in this case, has the exact same meaning in that law as it has in the 10 commandments, which is to say, it only applies to democrats
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:22 PM   #13643
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Things are so ****ed i bet the only truly damning thing in those returns is that trumpís not really a billionaire. Which matters to literally no one except trump.
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:24 PM   #13644
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Iím sure this wasnít the reason but how could the secret service not know about auto-installing thumb drives?

https://twitter.com/weldpond/status/...786274816?s=21
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:48 PM   #13645
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Monteroy posting 10,000 words of completely pointless drivel here to try and show us how bad at posting we are and how smart and superior he is has to be one of the most insane things I have seen in this forum in a while. And that is saying something with Trumpbot being the highest volume poster.
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:05 PM   #13646
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Hopefully that other poster who suggested I start the thread on the idea I had (that nobody has commented whether the idea itself is good/bad/vapid/insane etc.) will read posts like yours and better understand why that would not be the way to go if it ever happened. While I should appreciate the "most insane title" being offered - it seems that reaction happens a ton here about all sorts of things, so I do not feel I truly deserve it, but thank you for your feedback, and I tried to keep this post relatively short for your benefit.
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:21 PM   #13647
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I don't think putting a USB stick into a computer is as risky as it used to be. Back in the day, windows used to auto run any USB. I don't think malware can just arbitrarily execute from a thumb drive without the user clicking on something and giving it permission.
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:26 PM   #13648
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I don't think putting a USB stick into a computer is as risky as it used to be. Back in the day, windows used to auto run any USB. I don't think malware can just arbitrarily execute from a thumb drive without the user clicking on something and giving it permission.
to point out the obvious, the host machine may have already been compromised
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:30 PM   #13649
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Iím sure this wasnít the reason but how could the secret service not know about auto-installing thumb drives?

https://twitter.com/weldpond/status/...786274816?s=21
He's probably "resigning" because the Chinese hand job lady's associate paid good money for that access to the Pres and they stopped it.
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:33 PM   #13650
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Hopefully that other poster who suggested I start the thread on the idea I had (that nobody has commented whether the idea itself is good/bad/vapid/insane etc.) will read posts like yours and better understand why that would not be the way to go if it ever happened. While I should appreciate the "most insane title" being offered - it seems that reaction happens a ton here about all sorts of things, so I do not feel I truly deserve it, but thank you for your feedback, and I tried to keep this post relatively short for your benefit.
I believe there is already a thread on activism. It does not get a lot of posts but feel free to bump it and add content.

Or like i said start one. It would work for you if you stayed OT and did not do what you usually do and like what you did hear today.

You love the martyr game eh. Kick the forum it kicks back then whine. Ugh.
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