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Old 04-07-2019, 09:38 PM   #13526
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Now that Clovis has announced he is moving from not responding to the actual content in posts not responding to them at all, I’d like to assure Suzzer that I still remember that Hegseth is a POS for many reasons.
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:41 PM   #13527
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The problem with your whole point is bolded. I'm kind of on your side here, but even I would admit between cheating in a relationship has some small correlation with being a less trustworthy politician. In my opinion, the correlation is probably low and there are so many other factors involved in my decision that it doesn't move the needle much. But to claim it has nothing to do with it at all is nonsensical. Just concede to "very little" and be done with it.
This is fair and I did concede it later. Of course it means they lied. I guess my issue is with elevating that lie over others. The original post which I replied to listed the infidelity before tax fraud and corruption.

I guess my ultimate point is that if nobody ever knew anything about a politicians sexual relationships it wouldnít hurt the ability to elect good people. It would actually likely help.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:10 PM   #13528
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Every single person is a liar. There is not a single human alive who doesnít lie. Not one. There are no exceptions. This is even more true of sex.

This standard for weeding out politicians is so idiotic, no sane person can really believe it.
I mean, no kidding that everyone lies, but come on, cheating on your spouse is pretty ****ing sleazy and not everyone does it. I would never, never, not in a million ****ing years cheat on mine. It is sleazy. I work in a field (law) with a lot of sleazy players. In my experience, the sleazeball dickbags who cheat on their spouses are the same sleazeball dickbags who do unethical dishonest **** in their practice. I donít think it is crazy to think there might be a correlation...
 
Old 04-07-2019, 10:10 PM   #13529
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This is absolutely not true.
Liar.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:11 PM   #13530
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Cue millions of square miles of open land.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:13 PM   #13531
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Every single person is a liar. There is not a single human alive who doesn’t lie. Not one. There are no exceptions. This is even more true of sex.

This standard for weeding out politicians is so idiotic, no sane person can really believe it.

You are imposing sexual morality. Period.

In b4 someone says I think lying is a-ok.
I am certainly not imposing sexual morality. I don’t care if a person is straight, gay, trans, bi, monogamous, or shtupping a different person every week, whatever. But lying to your spouse about it is sleazy.
 
Old 04-07-2019, 10:21 PM   #13532
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Institute a 1-child per family policy then.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:33 PM   #13533
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Perhaps. But what you stated sounded like a general claim







That doesn't sound like you're limiting your claim to his case only.
I was implicitly using a definition of "affair" that mean that it was under the table.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:34 PM   #13534
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It’s interesting how this thread is so liberal with everything but sex then it’s lock step with boiler plate conservatives.
You do not have to reflexively defend every single action related to sexuality. The problem with cheating is the breach of trust. Sex is just the tool.
When somebody calls out drunk driving you shouldn't accuse them of not liking cars either. It's not about the car. It's not about the sex.

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For the record, I have no problem being ganged up on when I am correct and everyone else is completely incorrect, as in this case.
A humbler person might reexamine his views when literally everybody else disagrees.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:41 PM   #13535
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I was implicitly using a definition of "affair" that mean that it was under the table.
"Cheating" or "infidelity" is probably better in that case, imo. But that's enough nittery for today. I think we're on the same page.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:50 PM   #13536
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"Cheating" or "infidelity" is probably better in that case, imo. But that's enough nittery for today. I think we're on the same page.
Yeah, saying "implicitly" was a concession that there can be ambiguity in the term, and that I hadn't acknowledged that. I echoed the previous language rather than maximizing clarity.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:50 PM   #13537
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This is fair and I did concede it later. Of course it means they lied. I guess my issue is with elevating that lie over others. The original post which I replied to listed the infidelity before tax fraud and corruption.

I guess my ultimate point is that if nobody ever knew anything about a politicians sexual relationships it wouldnít hurt the ability to elect good people. It would actually likely help.
So that's a no on listening to yourself.

If nobody knew you killed someone it would do great things for your reputation of not being killer...
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:56 PM   #13538
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I am certainly not imposing sexual morality. I donít care if a person is straight, gay, trans, bi, monogamous, or shtupping a different person every week, whatever. But lying to your spouse about it is sleazy.
Clovis is hung up on the sex part of it. If one was deceiving and lying to their significant other so they could go use drugs or so they could feed a gambol addiction it would be the same thing.

Doesnít have any thug to do with being prude or puritanical and everything to do with being a liar MC lie face to someone close to you because you donít want to deal with reality. This absolute helps indicate how one would behave as a public official. There is little chance this person is going to start being brutally honest and frank when in office, when put in a tough situation.
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:09 PM   #13539
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So that's a no on listening to yourself.

If nobody knew you killed someone it would do great things for your reputation of not being killer...
So far you have equated infidelity to slavery and murder. Keep up the good work.

I spoke too soon earlier. You might not be able to google.
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:24 PM   #13540
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Clovis being an absolutely atrocious poster is totally standard I guess.

Seriously is there a worse derail than this? I don't even see a point in continuing to argue the point. It obviously comes down to a matter of morality and that will never be settled here.

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Wonder how many immigrants Trump will imprison before turning the prison camps into Nazi extermination camps. I mean making that request has to be why KN quit. She's done pretty much everything else to asylum seekers.
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:24 PM   #13541
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So far you have equated infidelity to slavery and murder. Keep up the good work.



I spoke too soon earlier. You might not be able to google.
It wasn't a false equivalence. It was taking your dumb statement to its absurd but self-consistent conclusion. The ad populum fallacy is no more correct for sexual misconduct than it is for people defending Trump's racist statements.
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:35 PM   #13542
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Clovis being an absolutely atrocious poster is totally standard I guess.

Seriously is there a worse derail than this? I don't even see a point in continuing to argue the point. It obviously comes down to a matter of morality and that will never be settled here.

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Wonder how many immigrants Trump will imprison before turning the prison camps into Nazi extermination camps. I mean making that request has to be why KN quit. She's done pretty much everything else to asylum seekers.
trump: so, we're full. stephen tells me we are at capacity.

niejlssen: yes, sir.

trump: and since these illegal animals are so dangerous, we can't risk letting any of the ones we've captured out of their cages.

niejlssen: right.

trump: so might there be a way to lower the number of illegals we've captured, without freeing them?

niejlssen: i don't have the guts to either go through with this or oppose it, so i'm going to resign so you can put someone in my job who definitely will go through with it. btw i'm still like 10x a better person than awval.

trump: who's awval?

niejlssen: he's just this guy, don't worry about it.
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:41 PM   #13543
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Well the largest detention center is still denying Congress people from checking out the camps and saying they require a two week notice. Despite the law passed last year saying they can't do that.

https://www.axios.com/florida-congre...f793ba9cf.html
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:42 PM   #13544
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This is the nut low derail in thread history.
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:46 PM   #13545
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trump: so, we're full. stephen tells me we are at capacity.

niejlssen: yes, sir.

trump: and since these illegal animals are so dangerous, we can't risk letting any of the ones we've captured out of their cages.

niejlssen: right.

trump: so might there be a way to lower the number of illegals we've captured, without freeing them?

niejlssen: i don't have the guts to either go through with this or oppose it, so i'm going to resign so you can put someone in my job who definitely will go through with it. btw i'm still like 10x a better person than awval.

trump: who's awval?

niejlssen: he's just this guy, don't worry about it.
Lol
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:53 PM   #13546
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Watching Clovis get ganged up on always reminds me of one of my favorite OOT threads ever when he stole a really dumb game from another forum, mocked people who found it difficult, and then got exposed for having stolen it and being really bad at it himself. Lol Clovis forever and ever
LMAO A+
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:01 AM   #13547
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nyt editorial board: Kirstjen Nielsen Enforced Cruelty at the Border. Her Replacement Could Be Worse.
In her resignation letter released on Sunday, Ms. Nielsen noted, “For more than two years of service beginning during the Presidential Transition, I have worked tirelessly to advance the goals and missions of the Department.”

This is hardly something to brag about. Whatever the secretary’s personal views, and no matter how impossible her job, she was the face of some of the administration’s most poorly conceived and gratuitously callous policies. At best, she was complicit and, yes, hopelessly weak.

Sadly, Ms. Nielsen’s response to her boss’s displeasure and abuse was both morally anemic and strategically incoherent. Last summer, as Republicans and Democrats — and many in the American public — protested the administration’s practice of tearing migrant children from their parents at the border, Ms. Nielsen rushed to publicly defend the policy. Scratch that. She insisted, repeatedly and bizarrely, that the administration had no such policy, even as her agency was enforcing and justifying it.

“We do not have a policy of separating families at the border,” she said on Twitter last June. “Period.” She repeated as much to Congress as recently as March.

Nor was immigration the only issue on which Ms. Nielsen floundered. On the critical question of Russia’s meddling in the 2016 elections, she was even less lucid. At times, she seemed to support the intelligence community’s findings that the Kremlin had been up to no good. Other times, she supported the view that Russia had not favored Mr. Trump in the election. Her every utterance seemed designed to obfuscate rather than clarify.
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:34 AM   #13548
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****ing complicit Quisling monster will get a sweet lobbying gig and face no real consequences for abducting children.
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:39 AM   #13549
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100% her replacement will be worse. I don't know how much room there is between her and Amon Goth.
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:57 AM   #13550
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On the subject of the fullness of the United States:

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