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I posted hours ago a response to you. I didn’t post a specific source because I respect you enough to know you know the data, and can use google. Research on the topic is all over the place with ranges from 25-70%. Methodologies are all over the place and subject to the same serious limitations as all sex research.

This is just 100% bull****. You don't get to make stupid claims then let the other side do your research. If there isn't a consensus in the data you don't get to make a blanket claim.

04-07-2019 , 08:29 PM

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the argument against clovis point that he can't seem to understand is that lying begets lying. to my knowledge this is scientifically proven. lying in small things leads to ease in lying in other things.

just saying that lying on your taxes isnt the same thing as lying in your marriage isnt or that "everyone lies" enough to refute this position..

it's totally rational to think that a person lying about their private life is more likely to lie in their official capacity as well.

04-07-2019 , 08:32 PM

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it's totally rational to think that a person lying about their private life is more likely to lie in their official capacity as well.

This is absolutely not true.

04-07-2019 , 08:32 PM

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This is absolutely not true.

04-07-2019 , 08:35 PM

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This is just 100% bull****. You don't get to make stupid claims then let the other side do your research. If there isn't a consensus in the data you don't get to make a blanket claim.

Give me a break. I’m not making you do the research. I’m assuming you can google.

I’ll admit my 50% claim was me cherry picking the data to support my view but it absolutely doesn’t hurt my actual position which was cheating is very common. It’s silly to label something immoral that more than 25% of the population does.

04-07-2019 , 08:37 PM

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It’s not like we don’t have a pretty solid case study of what a pathological liar in their personal life does when they, say, become President of the United States.

04-07-2019 , 08:39 PM

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Child jailer resigning for not being extreme enough on immigration. Gg America.

04-07-2019 , 08:45 PM

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I know my take is just crazy. I don’t invest the strength or value of my relationships, or those of others, is whether my partners genitalia has touched another person.

So then don't get in that kind of relationship. Do people with different sexual values than you deserve to be lied to because their values are stupid to you? JFC, you are a hypocrite.

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P.S. The argument equating cheating on your taxes and cheating on your spouse is so galactically stupid that it doesn’t warrant a response. Every single person itt knows the clear and obvious differences.

No. Nobody made that argument. You said:

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I ASKED (didn't argue)

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What does cheating on your taxes have to do with being a good politician based on the list you provided for qualifications?

And further, I asked you because yeah, every single person ITT also understands that lying to your spouse about an expectation of monogamy is the immoral part--not non-monogamy....except you.

04-07-2019 , 08:46 PM

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04-07-2019 , 08:51 PM

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So then don't get in that kind of relationship. Do people with different sexual values than you deserve to be lied to because their values are stupid to you? JFC, you are a hypocrite.

No. Nobody made that argument. You said:

I ASKED (didn't argue)

And further, I asked you because yeah, every single person ITT also understands the difference between lying to your spouse about an expectation of monogamy being the immoral part--not non-monogamy....except you.

Nice gaslighting yet again. I said cheating is wrong many many many times but here you are yet again claiming I said the exact opposite. My values are the exact same. Cheating is wrong. Should I write it in bold red?

Not a single person in history who has attacked a politician for infidelity is doing so because of the lying to the spouse part. I know you don’t think this so why keep saying it. They are attacked for not following conservative Christian morality around marriage.

Finally, people who are cheated on have been harmed, not their constituents.

04-07-2019 , 09:04 PM

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04-07-2019 , 09:06 PM

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Give me a break. I’m not making you do the research. I’m assuming you can google.

It's this kind of **** that make your claims of others arguing in "bad faith" so laughable.

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I’ll admit my 50% claim was me cherry picking the data to support my view but it absolutely doesn’t hurt my actual position which was cheating is very common. It’s silly to label something immoral that more than 25% of the population does.

So slavery was moral? Do you even listen to yourself?

04-07-2019 , 09:08 PM

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Nice gaslighting yet again. I said cheating is wrong many many many times but here you are yet again claiming I said the exact opposite. My values are the exact same. Cheating is wrong. Should I write it in bold red?

Not a single person in history who has attacked a politician for infidelity is doing so because of the lying to the spouse part. I know you don’t think this so why keep saying it. They are attacked for not following conservative Christian morality around marriage.

Finally, people who are cheated on have been harmed, not their constituents.

I'm gaslighting? Who even argued anything counter to the bolded? Good lord, you have zero reading comprehension is the issue. I am not conservative or Christian, dude. I am not attacking a politician for anything. YOU made the claim that CHEATING on your spouse in multiple marriages is irrelevant to gauging a persons trustworthiness in other capacities. When people say...nah (and no, not a single person said it was a sole measure, or even the most important measure), you want to turn it into another kink shame attack based on puritan values and fear of genitalia, cuz THAT seems to be your real kink.

04-07-2019 , 09:13 PM

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Cheating is wrong but that does not make it immoral - for it is also a popular pursuit.

Is that more or less an accurate summary of your opinion here?

04-07-2019 , 09:17 PM

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Lol galaxy brain Clovis.

04-07-2019 , 09:18 PM

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Wow, filled the DHS vacancy fast and went young,,,

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04-07-2019 , 09:20 PM

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We know the debate is over when really bad poker analogies are trotted out.

I’m done with this debate. I too often underestimate how deep conservative Christian morality is embedded in the US psyche. Even the most extreme left can’t resist defending it.

04-07-2019 , 09:24 PM

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It’s not Christianity in our brains. It’s stupidity in yours. You show again and again a failure to understand simple concepts, like behavior in one major area of your life being related to behavior in others.

04-07-2019 , 09:27 PM

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04-07-2019 , 09:30 PM

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What the hell is a tariff on an immigrant? Who is paying this tariff? Are immigrants listed in the Harmonized Tariff Schedule?

04-07-2019 , 09:31 PM

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His wife left him. I can at least be pretty sure it was an affair.

Perhaps. But what you stated sounded like a general claim

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Having an affair is immoral, as it's a betrayal of the arrangement you made with someone. If the pol was openly polyamorous or something, that would be different.

That doesn't sound like you're limiting your claim to his case only.

04-07-2019 , 09:36 PM

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I know my take is just crazy. I don’t invest the strength or value of my relationships, or those of others, is whether my partners genitalia has touched another person.

Also I can’t believe how bad faith the debate has been itt on this topic. I have literally posted MULTIPLE times that cheating is dishonest and I am not ok with. My point was that it has nothing to do with the ability of a politician to do her job .

This doesn’t stop several posters, completely knowingly, to post about how I’m totally good with infidelity. And you wonder why I point out trumpkin tendencies on some. It’s pure gaslighting.

P.S. The argument equating cheating on your taxes and cheating on your spouse is so galactically stupid that it doesn’t warrant a response. Every single person itt knows the clear and obvious differences.

The problem with your whole point is bolded. I'm kind of on your side here, but even I would admit between cheating in a relationship has some small correlation with being a less trustworthy politician. In my opinion, the correlation is probably low and there are so many other factors involved in my decision that it doesn't move the needle much. But to claim it has nothing to do with it at all is nonsensical. Just concede to "very little" and be done with it.

04-07-2019 , 09:38 PM

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Now that Clovis has announced he is moving from not responding to the actual content in posts not responding to them at all, I’d like to assure Suzzer that I still remember that Hegseth is a POS for many reasons.

04-07-2019 , 09:41 PM

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This is fair and I did concede it later. Of course it means they lied. I guess my issue is with elevating that lie over others. The original post which I replied to listed the infidelity before tax fraud and corruption.

I guess my ultimate point is that if nobody ever knew anything about a politicians sexual relationships it wouldn’t hurt the ability to elect good people. It would actually likely help.

04-07-2019 , 10:10 PM

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Every single person is a liar. There is not a single human alive who doesn’t lie. Not one. There are no exceptions. This is even more true of sex.

This standard for weeding out politicians is so idiotic, no sane person can really believe it.

I mean, no kidding that everyone lies, but come on, cheating on your spouse is pretty ****ing sleazy and not everyone does it. I would never, never, not in a million ****ing years cheat on mine. It is sleazy. I work in a field (law) with a lot of sleazy players. In my experience, the sleazeball dickbags who cheat on their spouses are the same sleazeball dickbags who do unethical dishonest **** in their practice. I don’t think it is crazy to think there might be a correlation...

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