Nor do I. I just don’t think it has anything to do with them being politicians.

But you do seem to disagree that dishonest scheming pieces of **** are doing something immoral.

Literally a quote from every conservative stump speech ever given.

You think liberals are amoral?

When a politician is faced with a lobbyist representing large donors who want them to support the insertion of some last minute amendment into some huge unrelated piece of legislation, I'd prefer if the politician weren't a dishonest, scheming piece of ****.

This absolutely absurd insistence that all these issues, such as Trump's unwillingness to release his taxes, were "legislated" away simply by the fact that he was elected is complete bull**** and needs to be shut down.

I'm about as frustrated as I can get hearing about what Democrats plan to do. Can't wait to stop hearing about all this stuff (security clearances shenanigans etc) as it is forgotten in some kind of drawn out legal battle. OH HEY IT'S ELECTION DAY 2020 SHOOT WE NEVER GOT HIS TAXES YET OR ANYTHING

Yes I do. All dishonesty is not immoral. They are doing something dishonest to their partner. No doubt. But the only person effected are those two. This is why it has no bearing at all on their ability to do their job.

For the record, I’ve never been unfaithful because I’ve never been in a non-open relationship.

They are far more moral than conservatives at least in terms of how I define morality.

Here's a question you should consider asking about someone before you trust them: are they trustworthy?

Crazy, huh.

Me too as long as you add;

...regrading their role as keepers of the public trust and purse.

Everyone who has ever been unfaithful is untrustworthy from that point on? This is your standard?

Would you hire someone to install solar panels that has been unfaithful?

This could be amazing:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/polit...ent/index.html

Are all of Trump's crooked deals as a developer irrelevant? His scam Trump University? His failure to pay sub-contractors?

I don’t understand your question. Those speak directly to his ability to be president. Which people he has ****ed does not, assuming said people consented.

The first is changing the argument to the point that it's really in bad faith. It's a factor. It's not the only factor. And it's all a matter of degree. I wouldn't make a rule to never trust someone who has ______, where the blank is lots of things. They may have once stolen from me and I may trust them again. That doesn't mean stealing isn't a factor in whether or not I consider someone trustworthy.

As for the second, well, same as the first. Someone's honesty is a factor. I think I've literally hired a murderer before, so my standards for installing solar panels aren't necessarily the same as for electing public officials.

Why? He stole from some subcontrators and ripped off some suckers. What's that got to do with the public trust and purse?

It says some of the criminal referrals are for lying to Congress so I'm assuming they are for Don Jr and Erik Prince right

What the **** does cheating on their taxes have to do with it then?

because it's illegal and cheating on your wife isn't? (just a wild guess)

For starters

The bolded is not accurate. There are mutual friends, sometimes kids, sometimes nieces and nephews and siblings and parents who deal with the fall out of a person who decides to make a promise and break it.

There are a ton of options besides cheating that are not dishonest beyond open relationships. Like, if you want to have other partners don't get married at all, or get a divorce, or talk to your spouse about making your relationship open. Having a secret affair is a selfish choice. Doing that multiple times is more than a mistake. Does it disqualify you from any measure of trust in any capacity? No, but when choosing to put someone in a position where they can be corrupted and cause harm it means something to me.

LOL. okay. The question was not name a difference between cheating on your spouse and cheating on your taxes. If the lawbreaking is the factor, then I guess sodomites need not apply in many states, either. Let's not even waste time with backpedaling on this one with all of the oppressive sexual laws on the books.

What does cheating on your taxes have to do with being a good politician based on the list you provided for qualifications? I bet, like, IDK, 50% of people cheat on their taxes!!11!

I dont know about this guy but conservatives regularly run on family values and fidelity and the people who they think are bringing down America by not living up to their ideals of those. Which means when they go against those values they preach for their political advantage its fair to bring it up.

alright so i got a beef with this pathetic ****ing minimalization that you're trying to do here. idk what your relationship status is and really i don't care either, but your partner in life is supposed to be YOUR ****ING PARTNER. this is supposed to be the most important person in the world to you, the one you care about the most. and you don't think it reflects a certain way on somebody that, when they get unhappy for whatever reason, their response is not to be honest and talk about it with their partner in order to figure out some kind of solution, but to lie and go behind his/her back and share intimacy with other people?

that's some punk ****, that goes straight to the core of who you are as a person (integrity, dependability, etc) and tbh i'm not surprised that you're ok with it.

It’s also super funny that being not being okay with repeated and chronic infidelity puts us with trumpkins in Clovis land when, like, actual Trumpkins are okay with it just like he is.

This is just a bad hot take and there is no way to shore it up at this point. An opportunity to announce sexual enlightenment again but it doesn’t bear scrutiny. I’m sure there are agreements within your open relationships, Clovis, like discretions or safety. If those agreements are broken is that zero reflection on the integrity of the dishonest party? You know, since it isn’t just an archaic tradition you don’t care for that is being violated?