This is silly. Sexual desire is one of our base drives and gets to the core of who someone is. It is interesting you cheerlead for infidelity but it is definitely a significant character defect.

People can and do have open relationships and agreements even while in another relationship. People who lie and deceive their significant other definitely possess traits, abilities and interests that make them less trustworthy in every other aspect of their lives.

Pretending like lying and deception doesn’t potentially breed more lying and deception is simply off base.

I don't get this at all. As casual as college girlfriend may be, you're closer to her than a random. So, by the exact same logic if someone cheated on their college girlfriend that should also be reason they might not be trustworthy with randoms.

Meh, I was closer to my best friends than girls in college. I also think females will have a different perspective altogether about trusting dudes who cheat on their significant others. Need CN input.

Why ignore the tax fraud and focus on the affair? Who cares? It was mentioned off-hand.

etc etc etc

And this is how we get completely derailed by one bad faith poster into endlessly debating a molehill (Hogseth's fidelity) while ignoring the mountain next to it (Trump's pick for VA secretary is a tax cheat who thinks vets shoudn't rely on VA-supplied healthcare).

It's like the bird that pretends to be injured and leads the predator away from the nest, until the predator is far enough away it's forgotten where it first saw the bird.

Eyes on the prize - don't get sucked into ikes-esque derails.

Cheaters playing their hands face up itt

All of Trump’s picks are horrible, the only ones that need to be assessed are the ones that make sense at first.

Fair points. I did think of the media misrepresenting it based on limited knowledge of the situation after I posted. I appreciate the perspective.

Ok, none of those things have anything to do with executing any particular policy. So, just check their test scores I guess. Sklansky might like that approach.

Killdeer are funny.

I had several birds doing that to me out hiking last week. They don't pretend to have a broken wing, but they hop along the trail for a few dozen yards - cleverly leading me away from their nest, then eventually break off and circle back.

Do you think morality is the main driving force behind executing a particular policy? I'm pretty sure that many* (if not most) politicians just espouse the policies of their team and then they execute those because that's what will get them elected the next time around.

I'm sure it's involved to some extent, but I suspect the magnitude is smaller than you think.

*Definitely not all, though. There are quite a few exceptions.

Are you saying Clovis is really trying to protect tax cheats?

Makes sense.

No, I think most politicians are just trying to get and keep their jobs. That doesn't mean I don't think traits like honesty and considering other people's interests in your actions aren't important factors in selecting who you vote for and I think infidelity touches on both of those. I said in one of those posts that I don't think we actually can get better than average morality from politicians on average, but I think it helps to try.

Also, right or wrong none of those things have anything to do with how they are elected or appointed in many cases.

I disagree that people can have different characters depending on what part of their life we are examining. What I hear you saying is that what someone does in their personal life has no bearing on how they behave in their professional life. I disagree.

I don't think is because of the sex, I think if you make a promise or commitment or whatever you want to call it you should keep it. Sure, there are nuances and no one knows what's going on inside the relationship except for the participants, because of that I'm not giving a cheater the benefit of the doubt.

No, I don't know, that's why when you made a claim that sounds ridiculous I asked you for a source, not to just think harder about it.

I don't find the statement that infidelity is immoral to be very strong. It seems pretty axiomatic to me. When would doing something you know is going to cause other people pain for your own pleasure be moral?

We're not talking about lying about one's sex life. We're talking about cheating on your spouse. If you can't see the difference there I don't know what to tell you other than, you're wrong.

Politicians are expected to speak the truth. Politicians are expected to display the values they legislate for. Neither of these things is consistent with having an affair.

LOL, nope.

Lol suzzer. I’m bad faith posting and you pretend I’m supporting the scum bag when literally the first post I made said the corruption is obviously the issue.

I know it’s really really hard to parse out one issue from three that are stated but try really hard. I think you can do it.

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It’s interesting how this thread is so liberal with everything but sex then it’s lock step with boiler plate conservatives.

TIL this thread is in favor of morality laws and banning sex work and the like, according to Clovis. We're boiler plate conservatives on sex!

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status...39225977659398

Nah i just dont pretend that dudes who cheat on their wives arent dishonest, scheming pieces of ****

Infidelity in marriage is not just sex and there's difference between making fun of people who have a sex dungeon in their basement and trying to put them in an actual dungeon. I suppose it may not be totally cool either way, but it's not the same and your now-you're-just-like-the-Trumpkins bit is worn out.

A strong moral foundation is part of the basis for forming the 99.9% you mention.