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Old 04-05-2019, 10:16 PM   #13301
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

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Are you doing this in person in Rosarito with another American?

Anyway, this may be the source of what he's talking about. But you don't have to defend Obama. I'd just say "How about letting them go to school, but not in prison?"

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...paration-meme/
nah, with a family member over text lol. he got it from trump saying it at a rally or something.

yeah, I don't even want to get into Obama because everything with them is, "well Obama blah blah blah" or even "well clinton got his dick sucked so trump should be able to rig elections"


already replied, but I should've said "how about letting them go to school and have parents?". the second I started citing sources like the former head of dhs the conversation ended lmao

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Way too many of the people of the US are authoritarian aholes and the last couple tweets from the POTUS represent the views of a majority. Trump has a chance of losing in 2020 only because some of those people are Dems who will vote against Trump despite preferring his position on whether or not immigrants are animals.
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:36 PM   #13302
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so I'm going back and forth with a conservative and he's trying to claim that Obama started zero tolerance child separation policy. the most bat**** part of it is he says it's a program so that illegal immigrant kids can go to school while in custody. how do I even reply to this level of stupid
Who cares who began the program?

Start your questioning with "Is it a good policy?"
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:37 PM   #13303
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Also it's funny how the people who claim "Obama started it" never say that with things like stock market returns.
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:54 PM   #13304
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That type of interaction really highlights the role of media for me.

I’m an objectively intelligent person, and I fell for the Ron Paul bull****. There are literally tens of millions of people who have been radicalized by right wing media. Say what you want about these people, they got the power of cable news from the start.
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Old 04-05-2019, 11:14 PM   #13305
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

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Who cares who began the program?

Start your questioning with "Is it a good policy?"
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Also it's funny how the people who claim "Obama started it" never say that with things like stock market returns.
agreed on both points
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Old 04-05-2019, 11:26 PM   #13306
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That type of interaction really highlights the role of media for me.

I’m an objectively intelligent person, and I fell for the Ron Paul bull****. There are literally tens of millions of people who have been radicalized by right wing media. Say what you want about these people, they got the power of cable news from the start.

I'm gonna borrow a line from Dvaut and suggest that this is the cart pushing the horse. Let's take it the other way around: Rather than saying Fox News put the whammy on millions of people, let's suppose that America is chock-full of racist olds who created a market for reactionary right-wing news and Fox showed up to fill that market. It's more like the people radicalized the media once the technology became able to give consumers a-la-carte media options for the types of media they consume.
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Old 04-06-2019, 12:13 AM   #13307
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

That's a bit like letting Netflix off the hook for all of the shows it airs that revolve around violence towards women. If people didn't watch it so much no one would put it on the air...
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Old 04-06-2019, 08:58 AM   #13308
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I'm gonna borrow a line from Dvaut and suggest that this is the cart pushing the horse. Let's take it the other way around: Rather than saying Fox News put the whammy on millions of people, let's suppose that America is chock-full of racist olds who created a market for reactionary right-wing news and Fox showed up to fill that market. It's more like the people radicalized the media once the technology became able to give consumers a-la-carte media options for the types of media they consume.
I think the key point is that it is actually an insidious feedback loop where the racist instincts of America's worst people create a market for curated racist content, which in turn emphasizes and strengthens the racist instincts and grows the market.

One thing that market dogma has instilled in many people is the mistaken belief that markets always drive things towards equilibrium balance. This is a useful framework for analyzing plenty of economic situations, especially in Econ 101, but it is certainly not a universal truth.
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:25 AM   #13309
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:42 AM   #13310
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:58 AM   #13311
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:11 AM   #13312
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He's done more for black people than any other President in our lifetime.
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:16 AM   #13313
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It depends how you define “done more”. If you follow it with “harm” it makes sense.
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:23 AM   #13314
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:31 AM   #13315
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:33 AM   #13316
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I like how not reading is seen by Trump to be a good thing. The Education President!
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:02 AM   #13317
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I’d bet a decent amount of money trump is functionally illiterate.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:27 AM   #13318
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:28 AM   #13319
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Have you seen the video of him being asked to read something during a deposition? He can't read it. He's a moron.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:30 AM   #13320
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Nobody thought you read it. In fact it is unlikely you have the requisite ability to read anything more than 2 pages long.

Of course it is insane for you not to have read it but you do you.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:33 AM   #13321
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Mueller let this ****ing imbecile submit written answers. He didn’t want to get him.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:50 AM   #13322
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:51 AM   #13323
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