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uDevil · 04-03-2019, 11:47 AM

I can't decide if Trump is bluffing about closing the border. On the one hand, it would be colossally stupid and even AZ's R gov seems kind of freaked about it. On the other hand, big distraction, fake tough and colossally stupid is just standard Trump.

SenorKeeed · 04-03-2019, 11:49 AM

He shut down the government for like 35 days over a trivial amount of money for a dumb wall. He isn't bluffing.

jwax13 · 04-03-2019, 11:58 AM

So this just happened in the OKC metro area (School buildings and DNC office). The first comment I saw on the news story was an old white boomer claiming Soros paid someone to do this. WAAF. https://newsok.com/article/5627633/r...ocratic-office

uDevil · 04-03-2019, 12:06 PM

I hear you keed, but taco salad prices would go through the roof. Also something about cars. He couldn't sustain a border closure for 5 weeks. He'd have to cave in a few days and come out looking stupid just like before. Surely he or his advisors must have learned something... or not, idk I go back and forth.

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/...425816577?s=19

GMan42 · 04-03-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by uDevil

I hear you keed, but taco salad prices would go through the roof. Also something about cars. He couldn't sustain a border closure for 5 weeks. He'd have to cave in a few days and come out looking stupid just like before.

In other words, his approval ratings would sag 5% and then go right back up again after he reopens the border, just like with every other moronic thing he's done.

Trolly McTrollson · 04-03-2019, 12:20 PM

I assume all of Trump’s business friends are trying to talk him down from this and explain that this would be a disaster, but who ****ing knows what’s going to happen. Maybe it would distract from the Muller report.

dinopoker · 04-03-2019, 12:29 PM

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I assume all of Trump’s business friends are trying to talk him down from this and explain that this would be a disaster, but who ****ing knows what’s going to happen. Maybe it would distract from the Muller report.

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realDonaldTrump · 04-03-2019, 01:10 PM

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SenorKeeed · 04-03-2019, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by uDevil

I hear you keed, but taco salad prices would go through the roof. Also something about cars. He couldn't sustain a border closure for 5 weeks. He'd have to cave in a few days and come out looking stupid just like before. Surely he or his advisors must have learned something... or not, idk I go back and forth.

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/...425816577?s=19

Oh there's no question he couldn't sustain closing the border for as long as he shut down the government. But my point was that Trump isn't above taking incredibly disruptive action for much longer than is prudent to try to get his way.

TwitchySeal · 04-03-2019, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by uDevil

I can't decide if Trump is bluffing about closing the border. On the one hand, it would be colossally stupid and even AZ's R gov seems kind of freaked about it. On the other hand, big distraction, fake tough and colossally stupid is just standard Trump.

Bluffing would require some forethought. I think he's probably just saying things without thinking as usual.

Huehuecoyotl · 04-03-2019, 02:11 PM

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Oh there's no question he couldn't sustain closing the border for as long as he shut down the government. But my point was that Trump isn't above taking incredibly disruptive action for much longer than is prudent to try to get his way.

The Weeds covered this and I thought their analysis was pretty good. One theory is that Trump's style is the madman theory brinksmanship every time. So he's threatening to close the border to hurt Mexico to get Mexico to stop migrants from transiting through Mexico, host asylum seekers, etc.

The Weeds pointed out though that Mexico has been pretty accommodating to Trump already. They agreed to keep asylum seekers in Mexico and they're clamped down on migrants transiting before. So this brinksmanship may not even be necessary because Mexico would do it anyways.

microbet · 04-03-2019, 02:17 PM

Yeah. He's dumb and it mostly doesn't work. It's what he did with North Korea and Mexico paying for the wall. Mexico has its own issues with the migrants, so they are likely to do something regardless.

Trump's "strategy" had the appearance of working when he was a real estate developer and small contractors were faced with the choice to cave in when he shorted them or not be able to pay their employees and vendors.

SenorKeeed · 04-03-2019, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

The Weeds covered this and I thought their analysis was pretty good. One theory is that Trump's style is the madman theory brinksmanship every time. So he's threatening to close the border to hurt Mexico to get Mexico to stop migrants from transiting through Mexico, host asylum seekers, etc.

The Weeds pointed out though that Mexico has been pretty accommodating to Trump already. They agreed to keep asylum seekers in Mexico and they're clamped down on migrants transiting before. So this brinksmanship may not even be necessary because Mexico would do it anyways.

It may not be necessary but it is helpful to Trump either way. Either Mexico takes additional action because of the brinksmanship and fear of closing the border or Mexico would have taken the action regardless and Trump can take credit for "making" them. Either way it's a win for Trump.

cuserounder · 04-03-2019, 03:01 PM

I actually also think part of the border-closing gambit is to improve the chances his national emergency holds up in court. Something like, "Look, I even closed down the entire border it's so bad! This did tremendous harm to the US economy, I would never have done that if it wasn't a true national emergency!"

markksman · 04-03-2019, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Yeah. He's dumb and it mostly doesn't work. It's what he did with North Korea and Mexico paying for the wall. Mexico has its own issues with the migrants, so they are likely to do something regardless.

Trump's "strategy" had the appearance of working when he was a real estate developer and small contractors were faced with the choice to cave in when he shorted them or not be able to pay their employees and vendors.

Yeah the last summit with North Korea he tried this and North Korea could not leave town fast enough.

It is a horrible tactic for the situations he is in now. And honestly most people just know to hold the line and let him make himself look ridiculous before he walks back whatever he was demanding.

Huehuecoyotl · 04-03-2019, 03:59 PM

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It may not be necessary but it is helpful to Trump either way. Either Mexico takes additional action because of the brinksmanship and fear of closing the border or Mexico would have taken the action regardless and Trump can take credit for "making" them. Either way it's a win for Trump.

Kind of. The Weeds did point out that it could play to his base, etc. But the Mexican government's strategy that they were hoping to get Trump on board with was to give aid to the countries while impairing their immigration and Trump pulling aid and threatening the border might be burning a bridge with the Mexican government he didn't have to.

Johnny Truant · 04-03-2019, 04:08 PM

The Dems made him do it. LDO

SirOsis · 04-03-2019, 04:18 PM

Would be nice to work for SDNY to have one single ****ing insight into the status of any of these investigations

ReasonableGuy · 04-03-2019, 04:42 PM

How is this meme supposed to work?

dth123451 · 04-03-2019, 05:07 PM

Anyone still on team 4D chess?

otatop · 04-03-2019, 05:16 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...minees-n990551

The Senate's action on Wednesday was expected to last well into the afternoon because Republicans first voted to change the rules to slash debate time for sub-Cabinet level executive branch nominees and planned to do so a second time for district court judges.

“This systematic obstruction is unfair to our duly elected president and, more importantly, it is disrespectful to the American people who deserve the government they elected,” McConnell, R-Ky., said on the Senate floor Wednesday before the first vote. “We cannot set this new precedent that the Senate minorities will systematically keep an administration understaffed down to the least controversial nominees anytime they wish somebody else had won the election.”

**** you, Mitch.

dth123451 · 04-03-2019, 05:21 PM

If Democrats don’t nuke everything, add DC and PR, pack the court and end the filibuster for everything when they’re in charge it’s gg America.

SenorKeeed · 04-03-2019, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Kind of. The Weeds did point out that it could play to his base, etc. But the Mexican government's strategy that they were hoping to get Trump on board with was to give aid to the countries while impairing their immigration and Trump pulling aid and threatening the border might be burning a bridge with the Mexican government he didn't have to.

Could be, or withdrawing aid could be a shot across Mexico's bow: the first step of the madman brinksmanship move that Trump is threatening. And it could be the deal Trump reaches with Mexico restores aid to those three countries. I mean I'm not sure what we're even arguing about, like I don't know if it's going to work. But that seems to be Trump's strategy here.

wheatrich · 04-03-2019, 05:28 PM

A 50 vote threshold to overrule a 60 vote threshold.

See this thing here, it's called a huge flaw.

Probably still need 60 to change a light bulb in the senate.

cuserounder · 04-03-2019, 05:32 PM

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If Democrats don’t nuke everything, add DC and PR, pack the court and end the filibuster for everything when they’re in charge it’s gg America.

This was already the case, but this should make it even more clear. And of course if the Dems take the White House and the GOP holds the Senate, they can still slam the brakes on every single appointment and even restore the 30-hour limit.