The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 509 - Politics and Economics

NhlNut · 03-29-2019, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Not sure what I'm hand waving away. The question isn't are these things "OK". There's lots of things about the Trump presidency that aren't "OK". The question is were the things that Schiff listed criminal. And if Barr's summary of Mueller's report can be believed then an extensive investigation was not able to establish the criminality of the acts that Schiff listed. And so, all right, Don Jr met with some Russians? If it can't be shown that he broke any laws when doing so then who cares? Let's charge some folks with conspiring with the Russians or move on. Same thing goes for all the other items on Schiff's list. If it can't be proven that the things he thinks "aren't OK" are actually criminal acts then it's time to move on to other issues and put this two and a half year investigation behind us.

The obvious option is that Mueller didn't consider it his job to make conclusions. The Constitution specifies the method for Presidential oversight. The House and Impeachment.

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

"technically" illegal? The law is technical! If it isn't technical then there isn't a law at all. If something is technically legal then it's legal. Period.

Look, I'm not defending Barr, I'm not saying he's honest or a good guy or can be relied on. I'm saying something very simple. If Mueller actually found criminality around the Trump campaign's interactions with Russians, then Barr would be crazy to misrepresent that and say that Mueller found no such criminality. You really think that Mueller would just sit silently while Barr made such a substantial and direct misrepresentation? It seems inconceivable.

Barr provided a legal opinion. I'm not confident it's impartial. And once again, Mueller likely didn't make any conclusion about 'criminality'. He left that to the Constitutionally empowered.

It's inconceivable that a team that didn't leak at all for 2 years would continue it's silence? Especially if the team considered the judicial process ongoing? I would be shocked if Mueller comments at all before being subpoenaed by the HJC

**goofyballer** · 03-29-2019, 02:12 AM

The day after the Parkland shooting, an NRA officer turned to a Sandy Hook truther to try to find information to discredit the attacks

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For support, he turned to Wolfgang Halbig, a conspiracy theorist intent on proving that the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 26 students and staff members dead in Newtown, Conn., was a hoax.

“You have included me with a lot of Information since the Sandy Hook Incident and I do appreciate it very much,” the NRA coordinator, Mark Richardson, wrote on Feb. 15, 2018, according to emails published by HuffPost on Wednesday. “Concerning what happened in Florida yesterday, I have been asking the question and no one else seems to be asking it.”

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Halbig, for his part, was eager to play informal adviser to the NRA after the Parkland massacre. He saw the exchange as a validation of his years-long campaign to get the organization’s attention.

“After 4 years of emailing the NRA I finally got a response in light of the Broward County School Shooting,” he wrote, according to HuffPost.

Halbig is an associate of Alex Jones, the far-right provocateur and founder of the conspiracy site Infowars.

True North · 03-29-2019, 07:00 AM

This entire thread from last night’s rally is just so off the rails (at one point, Trump mentioned the “record deepness” of the Great Lakes), but this one particularly stood out.

Weeeee!

Clovis8 · 03-29-2019, 08:12 AM

Onion

NuklearWinter · 03-29-2019, 08:30 AM

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No, the page says "you're looking for something that doesn't exist". Its a picture of Hillary at a presidential podium. That doesn't exist cause she lost. It's an immature and petty jab to own the libs. Probably Don Jr.'s idea.

Heh, I mean I wouldn't put it past them to troll like that, but after working with some of their people, they are fully capable of simple coding issues.

Spoiler:

site is http://www.targetedvictory.com

Namath12 · 03-29-2019, 08:34 AM

realDonaldTrump · 03-29-2019, 08:49 AM

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smacc25 · 03-29-2019, 08:58 AM

#BoneSpurs

SenorKeeed · 03-29-2019, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NhlNut

The obvious option is that Mueller didn't consider it his job to make conclusions. The Constitution specifies the method for Presidential oversight. The House and Impeachment.

Barr provided a legal opinion. I'm not confident it's impartial. And once again, Mueller likely didn't make any conclusion about 'criminality'. He left that to the Constitutionally empowered.

That could very well be true about the President, but would absolutely not be true of any of his aides. Mueller would certainly make conclusions about the criminality of the acts of all of Trump's aides -- he would do that in the form of indictments. And the fact that he has not and will not make any indictments of Trump's aides regarding conspiracy with Russians to commit election crimes means his investigation didn't support bringing those sorts of charges against Trump's aides.

And how likely is it that there wouldn't be sufficient evidence of Trump aides doing the Russian election crimes but there is substantial evidence that Trump supported the election crimes all by himself without implicating any of his aides. It doesn't seem particularly likely.

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It's inconceivable that a team that didn't leak at all for 2 years would continue it's silence? Especially if the team considered the judicial process ongoing? I would be shocked if Mueller comments at all before being subpoenaed by the HJC

The Mueller team was silent for two years, with one notable exception. That exception was when a sensational story broke that claimed the Mueller investigation had evidence that Trump suborned perjury. Mueller quickly and publicly corrected that error. If Barr was similarly misrepresenting the Mueller's findings then I would be shocked if Mueller didn't speak out publicly to correct Barr's misrepresentation.

Clovis8 · 03-29-2019, 10:07 AM

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#BoneSpurs

The only smart thing Trump ever did was dodge the draft.

lozen · 03-29-2019, 10:12 AM

Sadly when Trump says no power if the wind doesn't blow. No Fox & Friends unless its windy. Yeah a few folks at his rally will laugh that off but a majority will believe it.

biggerboat · 03-29-2019, 10:16 AM

Counterpoint. Last year when hurricane Irma blew through, I couldn't watch TV either. Chessmate.

Huehuecoyotl · 03-29-2019, 10:21 AM

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The Trump appointee who oversees Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare quietly directed millions of taxpayer dollars in contracts to Republican communications consultants during her tenure atop the agency — including hiring one well-connected GOP media adviser to bolster her public profile.

The communications subcontracts approved by CMS Administrator Seema Verma — routed through a larger federal contract and described to POLITICO by three individuals with firsthand knowledge of the agreements — represent a sharp break from precedent at the agency. Those deals, managed by Verma’s deputies, came in some cases over the objections of CMS staffers, who raised concerns about her push to use federal funds on GOP consultants and to amplify coverage of Verma’s own work.

Didn't Scott Pruitt do the same thing?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...tracts-1306652

+rep_lol · 03-29-2019, 10:51 AM

was it pruitt or price? i get all these grifters and their blatent scams mixed up from time to time

Namath12 · 03-29-2019, 10:54 AM

+rep_lol · 03-29-2019, 11:00 AM

is there a bigger fraud and joke in the senate than rand paul

i mean murkowski and collins do a lot of pretending, but they at least claim to be republicans so you know they're deplorables at heart. rand paul and his facade of independence and principled libertarianism tho, i mean lolololol

i still believe in my heart that those rib fractures came from repeatedly being kicked while writhing on the ground in pain. and that makes me pretty happy.

microbet · 03-29-2019, 11:05 AM

People on this forum, not Trumpkins, also believe the intermittency of wind is big problem.

(Denmark has the the highest percentage of wind power of any country - getting close to 50% - 99.996% uptime - and before someone looks up residential retail costs here is an explanation of the electricity market there http://www.keanegruending.com/climat...lly-efficient/)

microbet · 03-29-2019, 11:07 AM

Rand Paul is a Republican. Ron Paul was independent or libertarian party or w/e.

realDonaldTrump · 03-29-2019, 11:09 AM

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SenorKeeed · 03-29-2019, 11:15 AM

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Rand Paul is a Republican. Ron Paul was independent or libertarian party or w/e.

Ron was elected to congress as Republican. He ran for president at least once as the Libertarian party nominee.

SenorKeeed · 03-29-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

is there a bigger fraud and joke in the senate than rand paul

i mean murkowski and collins do a lot of pretending, but they at least claim to be republicans so you know they're deplorables at heart. rand paul and his facade of independence and principled libertarianism tho, i mean lolololol

i still believe in my heart that those rib fractures came from repeatedly being kicked while writhing on the ground in pain. and that makes me pretty happy.

hey man whatever makes you happy

realDonaldTrump · 03-29-2019, 11:24 AM

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Trolly McTrollson · 03-29-2019, 11:25 AM

Rand Paul is just Ron Paul but without the cult following of internet guys like keeesd.

Huehuecoyotl · 03-29-2019, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

was it pruitt or price? i get all these grifters and their blatent scams mixed up from time to time

I think Price was the Health guy that racked up a ton of plane rides for him and his wife on the government dime. Pruitt was the EPA guy who roomed with a lobbyist, told his aids to get hotel bathroom stuff, and also the same thing the Health lady is doing.

realDonaldTrump · 03-29-2019, 11:37 AM

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