Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Our current system, where the rich exploit the undocumented immigrants is immoral, yes. I agree that a generous but regulated guest worker program is a good possible solution to the status quo, but I don't think that it should be anyone who shows up at our border wanting to come in. We would want to control the numbers and check the backgrounds of those who come. But I do think that the more generous the welfare state is the more problematic the guest worker situation is; if there is no path to citizenship you're creating a permanent underclass with little to no chance for social mobility, if the path to citizenship is too quick you risk overwhelming the welfare state with a flood of low skill workers from the poorest countries who would quite rationally try to come to improve their lives.
The only people in elected office nationally talking about completely open borders with no restrictions are Republicans claiming the Democrats want that. Democrats overall support more legal immigration, not just letting anyone in without so much as checking on who they are.
So your argument is that a generous welfare state would be unfair to guest workers, thus we should not let them in at all in the first place? Or just not have any welfare state at all? Ah, yes, the classic Republican argument technique: we can't do ANYTHING until we know EVERYTHING... We can't do ANYTHING if we don't know the solution will be perfectly fair for EVERYONE.
God forbid we make solid incremental improvements and adjust and adapt along the way to improve them... Because it's not like the GOP is using this line of argument to say that we need to go farther and do more right off the bat to make things better, they're using the argument to argue against doing anything at all.
It's disingenuous, as usual.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tgiggity
+1, keep up the good posts
Thanks!