The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 502 - Politics and Economics

Mulvaney convinced Trump to back Obamacare repeal over objections from Pence, others

Mostly posting because it's amazing how little self-awareness they have about the GOP's health care platform, and what voters think of it:

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Good luck with that!

There are few things I can think of that would be worse for Trump's 2020 election chances than turning it into a referendum on healthcare. Like, he campaigned in 2016 on "we're gonna cover everyone", good lord PLEASE keep telling us that in 2020 as you...actually just took away millions of people's healthcare in the intervening 4 years.

Lo ****ing L, going hard in the paint with "Our new plan will give you blowjobs and wash your car at the same time!" Without a single word written out on your plan is a bold move, Cotton.

03-27-2019 , 04:29 PM

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otatop

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Bull****ting has worked great for him for 72 years, why stop now?

03-27-2019 , 04:33 PM

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dth123451

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These guys keep getting away with it, it’s stupid Walter White. They’re totally divorced from the concept of negative outcomes.

03-27-2019 , 04:49 PM

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realDonaldTrump

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03-27-2019 , 04:53 PM

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Namath12

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Yes our immigration policies are to the left of most developed (read: places you’d actually want to live) countries but we kinda created that brand ourselves

03-27-2019 , 05:01 PM

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markksman

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Obvi

03-27-2019 , 07:18 PM

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realDonaldTrump

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03-27-2019 , 07:41 PM

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LostOstrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cuserounder

2020 debate...

Trump: Now that we've gotten rid of Obummercare, I've got the best plan that's going to cover the most people the cheapest and the best. We're going to make healthcare great again!

Buttigieg (holds up a bill): Here's my bill, where's yours?

Trump: It's the biggest and the best and the cheapest and we're going to save the most money ever and cover everyone.

Buttigieg: Cool, where's the bill? Here's mine...

Sounds about right. Trump then wins in a landslide.

03-27-2019 , 07:46 PM

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Paul D

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Did anyone post that Deustche bank turned over financial records of Trumps to Maxine Water?

03-27-2019 , 07:48 PM

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dth123451

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Dead girl, live boy.

03-27-2019 , 08:16 PM

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Narrator: Trump won.

03-27-2019 , 08:17 PM

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SenorKeeed

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have to say, special counsel to look at the FISA process would be pretty good

03-27-2019 , 08:27 PM

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RainierWolfcastle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

40% of the country: I want that plan that's the biggest and best and cheapest.

Goddammit this reply is perfect. I don't think a snarky internet post has ever made me want to punch a wall this much.

03-27-2019 , 08:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Axioms like "open borders"?

But non-snarkily, the most compelling argument for Medicare for all is that most (all?) other wealthy countries have implemented a similar system, have better health outcomes and spend less on healthcare. That's a compelling argument! OK. But then apply that same logic to immigration. Do any comparable countries have open borders? Except within the EU, they don't -- and the EU only has open borders among member nations, all of which have similar welfare states and generally relatively similar per capita GDP levels.

The snark is fine there. I know I'm being axiomatic about open borders. I don't absolutely necessarily think borders have to be 100% open no matter what and unqualified citizenship is immediate, but I just want to make the point that I think border restrictions are immoral and it's not only a matter of finding the best policy. I think there should be a higher standard, a very compelling reason, to restrict movement like that. I know that's not a common position. Most people are wrong.

I'm willing to have a lower standard of free medical care to all if that's necessary, but I don't think it would be. I don't think immigration makes the country less able to provide medical care for all. I think it makes the country better able to do it. You can't figure that out by just subtracting welfare payments from taxes paid. Immigrants contribute to the economy primarily in other ways than their tax payments. I also don't think that free medical care in the USA would cause hordes of people to come here that we couldn't handle. If every single person from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador (the places that are really the issue now) came here, that'd be good for us, not bad.

I also wouldn't try to do Universal Health Care all at once, so it would be something where you can see the results and adjust policy.

03-27-2019 , 08:43 PM

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And we already essentially have universal health care, it just sucks. It's show up at an emergency room and leave with medical bills you can't pay. Die in debt.

03-27-2019 , 09:12 PM

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dth123451

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Steve Bannon is doing great guys

03-27-2019 , 09:19 PM

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That has to be photoshopped.

03-27-2019 , 09:20 PM

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+rep_lol

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no, just alcoholism

03-27-2019 , 09:32 PM

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Clovis8

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This is pretty awesome

http://digg.com/2019/ice-arrest-driver

03-27-2019 , 09:39 PM

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Maddow reporting on this tonight. This is part of ongoing grand jury investigation that has been handed off.

03-27-2019 , 10:41 PM

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realDonaldTrump

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03-27-2019 , 11:38 PM

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Johnny Truant

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I don’t even know who that is in the video, but I am getting great pleasure never clicking play to find out what his stupid ****ing take is. Mildly healing pleasure.

03-27-2019 , 11:43 PM

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George Conway takes his trolling to the Washington Post with an opinion piece: Trump is guilty — of being unfit for office

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As all presidents must, Trump swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to faithfully execute his office and the laws in accordance with the Constitution. That oath requires putting the national interests above his personal interests.

Yet virtually from the moment he took office, in his response to the Russia investigation, Trump has done precisely the opposite: Relentlessly attacked an attorney general, Mueller, the Justice Department — including suggesting that his own deputy attorney general should go to jail. Lied, to the point that his own lawyers wouldn’t dare let him speak to Mueller, lest he commit a crime. Been more concerned about touting his supposedly historic election victory than confronting an attack on our democracy by a hostile foreign power.

If the charge were unfitness for office, the verdict would already be in: guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

03-27-2019 , 11:46 PM

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Trump complains to senators that Puerto Rico is getting too much hurricane relief funding

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In the past, Trump has asked advisers how to reduce money for Puerto Rico and signaled that he won’t support any more aid beyond food stamp funds. At the lunch Tuesday, Trump rattled off the amount of aid that had been designated for other disaster-hit states and compared it with the amount allocated for Puerto Rico following the 2017 hurricane, which he said was too high, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private meeting.

...and yet, the figure Trump cited appeared to have been pulled out of thin air (shocker):

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Trump noted to GOP senators that Texas — also battered by a spate of hurricanes — was awarded $29 billion in aid, while South Carolina got $1.5 billion to recover from storms. Trump then questioned why Puerto Rico was getting $91 billion, according to two people familiar with his comments, indicating that this was too much compared with compensation for states on the mainland.

Trump remarked that one could buy Puerto Rico four times over for $91 billion, according to people familiar with his comments.

But it’s unclear where Trump got the figure for Puerto Rico aid. It is similar to estimates of the amount of damage as opposed to what Congress has approved for relief. One congressional official said it’s difficult to quantify how much aid the island received because of how the money is disbursed.

03-27-2019 , 11:55 PM

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Trump complains to senators that Puerto Rico is getting too much hurricane relief funding

...and yet, the figure Trump cited appeared to have been pulled out of thin air (shocker):

I know Dvaut likes to refer back to The Paranoid Style in American Politics as one of the seminal, must-read articles on American politics, but I want to humbly submit The Cruelty Is the Point as something every single person living in the Trump Era of abject cruelty should read over and over again. Reminder that these people just cancelled the Special Olympics because it cost $20 million or something:

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Taking joy in that suffering is more human than most would like to admit. Somewhere on the wide spectrum between adolescent teasing and the smiling white men in the lynching photographs are the Trump supporters whose community is built by rejoicing in the anguish of those they see as unlike them, who have found in their shared cruelty an answer to the loneliness and atomization of modern life.

The laughter undergirds the daily spectacle of insincerity, as the president and his aides pledge fealty to bedrock democratic principles they have no intention of respecting. The president who demanded the execution of five black and Latino teenagers for a crime they didn’t commit decrying “false accusations,” when his Supreme Court nominee stands accused; his supporters who fancy themselves champions of free speech meet references to Hillary Clinton or a woman whose only crime was coming forward to offer her own story of abuse with screams of “Lock her up!” The political movement that elected a president who wanted to ban immigration by adherents of an entire religion, who encourages police to brutalize suspects, and who has destroyed thousands of immigrant families for violations of the law less serious than those of which he and his coterie stand accused, now laments the state of due process.

This isn’t incoherent. It reflects a clear principle: Only the president and his allies, his supporters, and their anointed are entitled to the rights and protections of the law, and if necessary, immunity from it. The rest of us are entitled only to cruelty, by their whim. This is how the powerful have ever kept the powerless divided and in their place, and enriched themselves in the process.

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