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How the **** can the Majority Leader just block votes as he pleases? Kinda makes him lawmaking-dictator Is there some historical reason for that, or just one more case of the Founding Fathers going "welp, what could go wrong?"

The foundational lie of America is the founding fathers were some kind of political geniuses.

03-26-2019 , 09:29 AM

#12402

WichitaDM

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An emboldened rather than fearful reactionary Trump is what we are in for now. Buckle up.

03-26-2019 , 09:32 AM

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The foundational lie of America is the founding fathers were some kind of political geniuses.

83pct

03-26-2019 , 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise

Senate Majority Leader only dates back to 1925 so we can't blame the Founding Fathers entirely on this one. The Majority Leader's power comes from their party so basically McConnell's just doing what the other 52 Republicans want him to so they can go through the motions of being outraged.

03-26-2019 , 10:43 AM

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realDonaldTrump

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03-26-2019 , 10:49 AM

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03-26-2019 , 10:56 AM

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Clovis8

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83pct

What is the percentage of your posts meant to be subtle trolls.

03-26-2019 , 11:00 AM

#12408

jmakin

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They’re intended to be subtle but they’re not. Idk why he gets you guys so frothy.

03-26-2019 , 11:34 AM

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suzzer99

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In case anyone was wondering chiefsplanet is spiking the football on the total waste of time fake Mueller investigation, whose findings are now completely legit, harder than I've ever seen them. Absolutely not one thing came out of 2 years of wasted time.

They are on to the next step of making a list of who to punish. The media and senate Democrats are at the top of the list.

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Originally Posted by Pogue

Brennan backtracking on the dossier as “bad info” is delicious.

He needs to be investigated because he knew it was bad from the getgo.

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Putin and the Russians played you like a fool. You happily swallowed every bit of nonsense you were fed by your media toadies while Putin sat in the Kremlin laughing his ass off, thinking “I would never have DREAMED it would be so easy to fool so many people”.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Originally Posted by Prison *****

Hahahhaha! TardBoy consumes nothing but Leftwing news and is shocked the world doesn’t reflect what they promised. Fuggin hilarious ^^^^

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Originally Posted by Shields68

The next stage is the IG looking at the FBI and was there abuse in obtaining the fisa warrant.

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Originally Posted by Pennywise

The next stage is shoes! And I'll take baskets 3 and 4 please.

The Next Shoes to Drop After the Mueller Report

Footwear aplenty will fall as more details from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report are disclosed. The reckoning will come in several baskets and will fall on Democrats and Republicans alike, with major ramifications for 2020.

Basket No. 1: More information about the Mueller Report and the basis for its conclusions.

The public wants that information and deserves it. Democrats will cry “coverup” if they don’t get everything. While Republicans emphasize “no collusion,” Democrats will concentrate their attention on Mueller’s indecision regarding President Trump’s possible obstruction of justice. Democrats will press Attorney General William Barr about the special counsel’s ambiguous conclusion—and Barr’s own definitive one--about the obstruction issue. Other Trump critics, who heretofore have described Bob Mueller as a modern-day Eliot Ness, will start crying, “Whitewash!”

There are four potential obstacles to releasing the entire report and underlying evidence. Some of it may be classified, some protected by grand jury secrecy, and some may reflect badly on people Mueller declined to charge. The president could also claim executive privilege, but probably won’t because doing so is perilous politically.

Perilous, too, is the Democrats’ insistent demand for transparency. The investigation was thorough – and lasted more than the first half of Trump’s four-year term. More evidence might only reinforce Trump’s claim he’s entirely innocent. He’ll pound that home.

Basket No. 2: Will House Democrats push ahead with other investigations of Trump?

The short answer is: Yes. The big decision is how long they will keep it up. The liberal donor base loves it, but most voters do not. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knows that and wants to protect her majority, which depends on swing districts. But she can’t control the party’s vocal left wing or its independent committee chairs, particularly Jerry Nadler and Adam Schiff.

Basket No. 3: Expect serious backlash as voters ask, “Who led us down this rabbit hole?”

Average voters—not on the extremes in either party—are bound to ask that question. The Democrats and their media allies have made “Russia Collusion” their top story line for two years. If they persist on that course instead of focusing on health care, income inequality, and foreign enemies, they look like Inspector Javert, or, worse, Inspector Clouseau.

The mainstream media are already badly damaged. They followed the same path and, in the process, obliterated the once-sacred line between reporting and opinion.

Basket No. 4: Did the FBI, Department of Justice, and intelligence agencies commit their own wrongdoing?

This final basket overflows with shoes that could drop. The cascade may well begin with three upcoming reports from DoJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz likely to result in grand jury investigations. So will the documents that Trump could declassify and release. (He’s been waiting for the Mueller investigation to end.) To restore faith in the rule of law, prosecutions cannot be seen as political retaliation. Accountability for law enforcement and intelligence agencies should be pursued by apolitical career prosecutors and made as transparent as possible.

The slap-dash investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email shenanigans must be thoroughly reviewed. Her aides received unprecedented immunity without giving evidence; their computers and cellphones were destroyed; and the principal herself was cleared before an interview with her was conducted. Who really made the decision not to prosecute? James Comey says he did. But FBI lawyer Lisa Page testified under oath that the order came from the Department of Justice. This discrepancy must be resolved, along with the obvious questions raised by the original decision. How high up did it go? Did it reach the Obama White House?

Who unmasked the countless U.S. citizens whose names came up during foreign surveillance operations? Who illegally leaked them? Expect to learn about FBI and intelligence agencies’ efforts to penetrate the Trump campaign. Who was behind it? On what evidence did they base it?

We also need to know a lot more about the warrant to spy on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. He is a U.S. citizen, entitled to those protections, and had cooperated freely with our intelligence community. But the FBI decided on secret surveillance. It came up empty.

Was the surveillance warrant against Page obtained on false pretenses? This would be the case if the foreign intelligence court (FISA) was given inaccurate, incomplete, and unverified information. That is almost certainly what happened, and the evidence needs to be fleshed out. How important was the “Russian dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele at the direction of Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS? Why wasn’t its funding by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee disclosed to the courts? Why didn’t the warrant-seekers disclose Steele’s bias, which was known to the FBI? Why did top law-enforcement officials certify the dossier as verified when it was not? To compound this mess, why wasn’t the court given exculpatory evidence, as required?

While the court was being told one thing, Donald Trump was being told another. Comey specifically told Trump the dossier was not verified. That’s not in dispute. Nor is the leak that immediately followed the briefing. Until then, media outlets had declined to mention the dossier because it looked so unreliable. A presidential briefing made it newsworthy. The story was bound to damage Trump, which was apparently the reason for the briefing. This matters not only because the leak was illegal but because it appears to have been part of a coordinated effort by law-enforcement agencies to undermine a presidential candidate and duly-elected president. We need to know what happened—all of it—and then hold people accountable. If laws need to be changed to prevent its repetition, pass them.

After all this time, the FBI still refuses to say what started the Trump investigations. It won’t say if agents tried to entrap people associated with the campaign. It won’t say why it did not warn Trump that Russians might be trying to penetrate his campaign. Contrast that with the kid-glove treatment of Dianne Feinstein, ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, when her driver was found to be a Chinese spy. She was privately informed and the staffer quietly removed.

Those are major, unanswered questions. They are central to the rule of law, and there are far too many of them. The answers are likely to pose serious problems for top officials in President Obama’s DoJ, FBI, and intelligence agencies.

A boatload of shoes is about to drop.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...rt_139856.html

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Originally Posted by tmax63

No, a qualified AG following the rule of law will not violate Grand Jury secrecy laws, classified information handling laws and destroy reputations of people investigated but not charged. Barr has already said that he will release as much of the report as he LEGALLY can and will use Mueller help to sort the Grand Jury items out but that takes time. Barr, with Rosenstein's help since he overseen the investigation since Sessions recused, produced the 4 page letter as a summary to give the American people a quick look see until he has time to fully prepare what can be released to be released. I would hope that it would take more than a weekend for the AG to prepare the report for release since it took 2 years and 25+million dollars to produce.
Why do you think Rosenstein is still there at DOJ? He has stated he'll be leaving DOJ. Because he has been in charge of this investigation almost since the onset and Barr wants him to see it through to show transparency and avoid the "Barr is a partisan hack" that they tried to hang on Whittaker.

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

So, you are disputing that Trump was cleared of collusion?

Are you disputing that the report makes no judgement on the obstruction charge?

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I know you probably weren't born yet, but the law changed shortly after the Starr report. The AG is following the law...

It's good to see you could finally get out of bed today after Sunday's disappointing news and we find your tears are delightful.

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

He knows all this. Bless his heart, he’s just trying his darndest to obfuscate and spin and muddy the waters as much as possible.

It’s what lying scammers like Lone do.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Hey you liberal lemmings, the fact Mueller and an entire team of Dems could not find **** on Trump is even more evidence he didn't do anything wrong. UNless you think Mueller is a stooge which is the exact opposite of what you have been saying for 2 years. I still don't like the guy but at least he appears to know when he doesn't have a case.

And seriously do you actually expect them to just release the report with classified info, source names and other stuff not redacted? Seriously? ****ing lemmings.

Careful what you wish for anyway, at this rate all the report is going to show is how badly this whole thing was biased against Trump and nothing but a set up by the DNC and FBI.

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Originally Posted by Prison *****

To quote Greenwald again: do these leftist fools honestly belive Mueller and his army of attorneys would willingly sit back and allow their “true findings” to never be known? It’s beyond ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

Trying to empathize - although anti-Trump republicans like myself think Trump is an idiot and a huckster, what Trump has been to liberals like looniguana has been extremely distressing. For many of these people, distressing to the core of their being.

The media is always telling them that they are winning, that there are just a few nuts or religious wackos on the other side, but they're terrible people and they are losing. Then 2016 happens, and you learn that they are not losing, you're losing. They aren't the loudmouthed minority, you are. They've been lied to for the last 10 years that the bad guys were just about to be stamped out once and for all, then in a couple of hours one Tuesday night, your world turns into a haunted house.

And as a way to cope, most of them have cherished what the media has fed them about how Mueller was going to get Trump thrown out of office. The shoes were dropping, fear not, this will all be over soon. Keep your bottle of alprazolam in one hand and your remote in the other, we'll get you through this.

Like any good conspiracy theory, it was fed to them couched in terms that made it sound everything was set to explode soon, that the pieces were being moved into place behind the scenes, the conspirators were running scared, and all would be revealed soon. They bought it like an infowars premium member.

For two years they have daily comforted one another with these words with visions of handcuffs dancing in their heads, and now they find out it's all been a sham. They've been lied to again. Finding out the world you were figuratively living in was a lie is a big deal. That would be very hard to handle.

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I'm curious here...what is it about Trump that brings you to the belief that he is a "idiot and a huckster"?

It's just a curiosity of mine. Not looking for gripes, just facts. Not a fight, just a discussion. Granted, Trump is NOT a Washington insider (which is why I voted for him) - and I get the idea that the primary reason that Trump is despised in DC exactly for that reason - he is looked at as an interloper. Laughable, considering the career ass-sitters who never accomplish a thing.

So, what say you?

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ROFL

Nope.....they will tell you that the "sun is shining" - even though in YOUR neck of the woods, it's a cloudy day.

In their minds - the "news" is whatever the hell it takes to improve ratings.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Thats pretty much admitting Fake News isn't it? We don't investigate we just report?

Good grief they don't even see their stupidity.

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Originally Posted by Shields68

Yeah but how else do you try and spin this? They have been pushing this for two years and there is nothing. All they really can do is blame the sources which have fed them false information. The we just are a blameless part of the Democrat echo chamber unfortunately is about the best they have.

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What facts? ROFL

03-26-2019 , 11:40 AM

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We need some kind of graphic that shows exactly what did came out of the Mueller investigation, exactly what Barr's summary did and didn't say, and emphasizes that we haven't seen the report yet.

Preferably in big colorful letters, pretty pictures, and small words.

03-26-2019 , 11:47 AM

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You know these people won’t care. They’re 100% on board with being Russia’s ***** if it helps advance white supremacy. They’re just pretending they don’t understand, don’t fall for it.

03-26-2019 , 12:59 PM

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03-26-2019 , 01:05 PM

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WichitaDM

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I think he forgot the "for rich whites" at the end of that tweet

03-26-2019 , 01:15 PM

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TrollyWantACracker

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Is he allowed to just change the name like that? Seems crazy to me, but whatever.

03-26-2019 , 01:17 PM

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That is a bigger shift than the post civil war crossover of republicans and democrats.

03-26-2019 , 01:40 PM

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biggerboat

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They're doing a fine job so far, eh?

03-26-2019 , 01:57 PM

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suzzer99

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03-26-2019 , 02:00 PM

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Nicholasp27

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Sure, suzzer, but did you consider that The AG who trump picked after his op-ed article wrote a memo saying no collusion so we can’t ever talk about that again nor can we investigate trump or his cronies, oops I mean family, for anything they ever did, are doing, or will do?

We’ve been chessmated forever

03-26-2019 , 02:05 PM

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Further proof, as if any was needed, that the AG in the US needs to be a separate elected office rather than serving at the pleasure of the President.

It's literally begging to have a corrupt administration otherwise.

03-26-2019 , 02:38 PM

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03-26-2019 , 03:44 PM

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In theory if he was blocking stuff that should be voted on, he could lose his job by having his caucus turn on him. In reality in modern politics, it's never happening over blocking something the other party passed, regardless of how broadly popular it is.

03-26-2019 , 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

so 39%+ of the country is completely braindead/brainwashed, generally both. that's good news actually, based on anecdotal experience I would've guessed the # is higher

03-26-2019 , 03:58 PM

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So the Muller report is guaranteed to have some juicy stuff in it:

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03...er-report.html

The “executive privilege” play never worked for Nixon, but who knows.

03-26-2019 , 04:09 PM

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lol @ allowing the White House weeks to edit the report as they see fit.

wtf is wrong with our country

03-26-2019 , 04:12 PM

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So the Muller report is guaranteed to have some juicy stuff in it:

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03...er-report.html

The “executive privilege” play never worked for Nixon, but who knows.

Trump's Twitter silence was them trying to decide whether they had a play to claim victory and block the release. Now they're executing the play.

Maybe I'm wrong and they don't redact much, but I doubt it.

The Mueller Report probably shows that they colluded with oligarchs and surrogates, and with people who the CIA/FBI know to be Putin assets, but who can't be proven to be within a court of law. So he's cleared legally and we get a couple quotes in the four page Barr letter to clear him, they claim total exoneration, then 45 redacts the **** out of the actual report and screams witch hunt if the Dems press him.

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