The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 492 - Politics and Economics

lol even the summary written by trump's hand-picked ag explicitly said it didn't exonerate him of obstruction

the reason barr even is ag is because sessions wouldn't help trump obstruct

03-24-2019 , 04:48 PM

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eyebooger

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Originally Posted by DTD

Isn't this terrible for 2020? Not sure the odds have actually moved that much but I kind of assumed that the chances of a second Trump term would jump up considerably with this outcome.

I don't think so.

A) This isn't the Mueller Report. This is the Barr Report of the Mueller Report.

B) The Mueller Report was never going to matter that much anyway.

C) Even if Trump were COMPLETELY exonerated from all the Russia stuff, it doesn't change the fact that he's a ****ty president.

D) As long as Democrats STAY ON MESSAGE, 2020 should be fine. Cliffs: Less Russia, more economy/health care.

03-24-2019 , 04:48 PM

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goofyballer

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Trump's Attorney General:

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Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as "difficult issues" of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Trump: "TOTAL EXONERATION"

lol

03-24-2019 , 04:49 PM

#12280

danspartan

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Pretty much yes on obstruction but says the underlying crime wasn’t proven then no to obstruction.

So no evidence or not a good enough case to charge?

03-24-2019 , 04:55 PM

#12281

Nicholasp27

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The danger is that now everyone knows you can get away with it as long as you win some of Congress along with the presidency and future elections are just who can cheat better

03-24-2019 , 04:57 PM

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bbfg

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If you truly belief that Trump is corrupt and is guilty of the things that Mueller investigated, this summary doesn't matter. He could have influenced this summary in so many ways if he's truly corrupt. And it was very unlikely that Mueller was going to submit a report bringing major charges against the US president.

The full Mueller report is the only thing that matters.

03-24-2019 , 04:57 PM

#12283

ScreaminAsian

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bernie: china, if you're listening... i very much hope you're able to find donald trump's tax returns. i think you will be rewarded mightily.

03-24-2019 , 05:00 PM

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GMan42

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So the House would have to subpoena the full report at this point in order to see it, and then would have to read it on the floor for it to become public record, correct? If so I hope this gets set in motion immediately.

03-24-2019 , 05:02 PM

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dth123451

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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

The danger is that now everyone knows you can get away with it as long as you win some of Congress along with the presidency and future elections are just who can cheat better

Yep. POTUS now has complete immunity for any criminal conduct unless the opposition party has both the House and 2/3 of the senate.

Sweet country.

03-24-2019 , 05:04 PM

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dth123451

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I’m sure they’ll get on this right after they’re done not obtaining Trumps tax returns.

We should be rioting in the streets. The Democratic Party is useless.

03-24-2019 , 05:05 PM

#12287

tgiggity

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trump isn't going down easy in 2020. he and putin will have had 4 years to plan his re election campaign. only chance dems have is getting dirty too

03-24-2019 , 05:06 PM

#12288

ScreaminAsian

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yeah collusion is legal now, i hope dems take advantage of that

03-24-2019 , 05:13 PM

#12289

tgiggity

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also, the truth doesn't matter/hasn't mattered for years. they need to start advancing policies with as much regard for the truth as R's

"what about the 27trillion dollars medicare for all is expected to cost over the next 10 years?"

instead of getting lost in the nuances (it will lower hc costs in a variety of ways, effectively reducing the cost of healthcare per person) they should just bs it

"you're reading those numbers wrong. it will actually reduce costs by 27 trillion over 10 years!"

who's going to check?

03-24-2019 , 05:27 PM

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goofyballer

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Originally Posted by tgiggity

who's going to check?

Dems don't have the equivalent of the Fox propaganda machine that Rs have. The "liberal" (lol) media would jump all over such claims in order to jerk themselves off over holding "both sides" accountable. Ds can't just play the same game as Rs by lying repeatedly and expecting half the country to start believing it.

03-24-2019 , 05:42 PM

#12291

tgiggity

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

yeah, I guess I meant the "liberal" media should start acting more like Fox, but there isn't really much liberal media in the first place. and what liberal media there is unfortunately (lol) isn't as easily corrupted by money or power.

it's not a fair fight when one side is unwilling to compromise it's ethics, but the other side doesn't give a **** about ethics or laws and no one can hold them accountable because they already control a huge percentage of wealth, not to mention controlling public opinion through the ownership of the majority of media outlets

america is ****ed

03-24-2019 , 06:20 PM

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zoltan

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Russian trollbots in overdrive, if you dare to look at that Twitter thread.

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03-24-2019 , 06:22 PM

#12293

markksman

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Lol media. When I started getting news alerts on AG release every single headline from every major source I got in first 15-20 minutes had a headline that false,y described their own story.

03-24-2019 , 06:50 PM

#12294

weeeez

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Americans are so civic that their innate sense of chilvalry say to let Trump reach his final form before riot.

03-24-2019 , 08:45 PM

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SJCX

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Does anyone feel like a bigger idiot today than James Comey? He probably knows a ton of evidence against Trump too

03-24-2019 , 09:03 PM

#12296

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https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/statu...52616765759488

03-24-2019 , 09:07 PM

#12297

chuckleslovakian

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Originally Posted by SJCX

Does anyone feel like a bigger idiot today than James Comey? He probably knows a ton of evidence against Trump too

It is amazing that he took a line that made him hated by both sides.

03-24-2019 , 09:16 PM

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synth_floyd

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I thought his tweet was saying that people were missing the forest for the trees with the Barr letter.

Or is it just him staring up at a tree looking dumb?