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Old 03-23-2019, 12:14 PM   #12201
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

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The Dem candidate for POTUS should not make Russia a center point of their campaign, but if Adam Schiff et al go after it as hard as possible that's fine. The Dem candidate should probably just list things like: Trump's National Security Advisor - Prison, Campaign manager - Prison, Lawyer - Prison, show some photos of Steve Banon and Sebastian Gorka etc and leave it at that.
I don't even think the nominee should do that.

Just talk about things that people care about (health care, bottom 90% economy, etc.). Everything else (including Russia) is a distraction from the much more important issues that will resonate with people.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:22 PM   #12202
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I don't even think the nominee should do that.

Just talk about things that people care about (health care, bottom 90% economy, etc.). Everything else (including Russia) is a distraction from the much more important issues that will resonate with people.
M4A is the biggest winner for the Dems. The candidate should spend like 80% of their time on just that.

"If we don't do something to significantly change health are in the US, you will end up bankrupt as soon as you or your loved ones get to the point where they don't want to or can't work and have an expensive medical problem."

This is true for more than 270 electoral votes.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:28 PM   #12203
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What crime or crimes shown in the report would be sufficient for you to call for impeachment or at least vote for Bernie Sanders in 2020? No, you don't get to weasel out and vote third party. The point is to name a crime that you find such a big deal that it is imperative to defeat Trump, not just weakly not vote for him.
The GOP impeached Clinton for far less then trump has done. They have no standards.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:40 PM   #12204
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The GOP impeached Clinton for far less then trump has done. They have no standards.
I'd like to get a testable metric from Mets, or at least an admission that he is a cultist who believes his team is above everything.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:41 PM   #12205
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Yeah I don't think the Dem candidate should focus on negative things about Trump. Everyone in this country has already decided if they like Trump and care about his crimes. Talking about them not only is pointless because you're not changing anyone's mind but it's keeps the attention on him, which he thrives on.

Talk about the changes you want to make (health care, immigration, jobs, etc.) or maybe talk about Trump indirectly, like how corrupt his administration is. If you want to hear how bad Trump is, all anyone has to do is turn on the TV or read a newspaper. We want to hear from the candidates about their plans and what they will do as president. And so far the Dem candidates have mostly been sticking to this plan.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:52 PM   #12206
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This is bad, a bad reflection on America and Democrats, but I think immigration is a big loser of an issue for the Dems. LOTS of Democrats, candidates and voters, think that border control is very important, that if people come to America it must be done legally, that immigrants are costing Americans jobs and lowering their wages, and that there are serious problems with crime and people not speaking English that result from immigration. Lots of Democrats think those things and almost all Republicans do.

Not separating children and the Dream Act are winners for the Dems, but getting any deeper into the issue is a problem for them.
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Old 03-23-2019, 01:02 PM   #12207
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might not be the right thread, but I've heard that Trump is going to replace Pence with Haley since the D ticket will probably have at least one woman.
that will be really amusing especially potentially vs "Beto" when they trot out the fake name to appease Hispanics trope, while a woman named Nimrata is on the repub ticket.
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Old 03-23-2019, 01:34 PM   #12208
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Silence means nothing

They are just waiting to see what it says/what will get released now before deciding how to play the response
Pretty accurate. Aside from pithy "NO COLLUSION!" and WITCH HUNT bits, Trump has been pretty mum on the Mueller investigation as of late. Quite a while back, he was calling for people to be fired or resigned or whatever. I don't know if he was told not to do it by his counsel or just didn't get the desired response but he did adjust his messaging.

It's clear that his team is waiting to sort things out. Probably want to find out if it's going to be published and how much of it will be published. I predict a heavily edited version of the report that moved all of the damning stuff to be revealed to the public.

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Just talk about things that people care about (health care, bottom 90% economy, etc.). Everything else (including Russia) is a distraction from the much more important issues that will resonate with people.
This. People really don't care as much about the Russia collusion as much as they should because people cannot directly feel its effects. It's simply too abstract for the average person. People care about things that have noticeable effects like losing healthcare and getting screwed on their taxes. They don't need to hear about how ****ty Trump is because their opinions on him are already set in stone. That isn't going to move the needle and get out the vote. Democratic candidates need to paint a bright, positive picture of America's future rather than one filled with fear and negativity of what happens if Trump is elected.
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Old 03-23-2019, 01:55 PM   #12209
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politically the dems should let this go or they are going to make the same mistake the repubs made in 95

the latest usa poll says that 50% think mueller report was a witchunt, and that was before its release.

dems should concentrate on winning in 2020 without talking about russia or collusion or obstruction, or they will surely lose
Ignoring the fact that only half the country disagreeing with Trump on something is a major victory for him; this gets it exactly backwards. The Dems got an unprecedented % of votes of an incumbent president in a midterm(95%!!) when the only real issue driving people to the polls was opinion on Trump. So what can he possibly do to not get destroyed? He might win or lose but it’s impossible for him to be a huge favorite going in to Election Day 2020. This fits in with all the data we have; midterm turnout, dem+9 midterm results and Trumps consistent -10ish net favorability.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:10 PM   #12210
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22 hours since trump’s last tweet. On a Friday/Saturday window.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:15 PM   #12211
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he's probably enjoying peaceful time with his family in florida before he sees the news and begins to freak out and threaten to impose martial law
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:34 PM   #12212
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maybe that meeting really was about adoptions and trump never knew, and trump covered it up for his son because he knows jr's a ****head and doesn't have the public relations gravitas that trump has, so he makes up some stuff that ended up not to be totally true but he didn't know either way at the time because he just lies all the time anyway because he has a pathological medical condition that people just kind of laugh off but it's real even mr kellyanne conway says it on twitter. and all this russia stuff was just a series of unfortunate coincidences like a marx brothers type of situation, just super unlucky but actually no collusion.

trump tower moscow deal that they were doing and throughout the campaign and lying about it is just simple corruption. trump taking payoffs from foreign leaders to softplay them. the chances that kim jong un made a deal to pay trump cash to kiss his ass over and over whenever he's asked about it is >10% the guy literally bowed to a north korean general with cameras in the room, he knew there were cameras. duterte, idk, i don't think duterte is paying trump to do pr for him i think trump just thinks duterte's a cool guy whose lifestyle he admires
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:37 PM   #12213
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he's probably enjoying peaceful time with his family in florida before he sees the news and begins to freak out and threaten to impose martial law
Without an indictment he isn't gonna do this unless it's to go after Hillary. He'll just proclaim victory on twitter over and over.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:42 PM   #12214
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Hopefully he was so shocked not to be indicted he dropped dead of a heart attack.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:47 PM   #12215
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He is trying to figure out a new catch phrase since witch hunt does not fit anymore. Unless they got him on the other crimes he has done then it can be witch hunt again.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:52 PM   #12216
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Its understandable why dems wouldn't want to put all their eggs in the Russiagate basket. A Republican investigator is submitting a report to a Trump nominated Attorney General, who doesn't even have to release to congress let alone the public, and even if there is damning evidence in the report, you still can't indict. Democrats control the house for impeachment proceedings but the removal from office part (the important part) still goes through the Republican controlled Senate. Getting Trump investigated, exposed, and actually removed from office would be a miracle given how ****ed up our system is.

STILL, democrats are guilty of a colossal failure in messaging. That 50% of people think its a witch hunt is insane. There was another poll months back about half of Americans were unaware the Mueller investigation uncovered crimes. You have to hammer home basic facts. If people in general show an aversion to taking Russiagate seriously then you have to change their minds. You aren't going to be able to sell Medicare4All or a Green New Deal if you can't convince people that the sky is blue.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:14 PM   #12217
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:14 PM   #12218
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Now Trump can go on the campaign trail and say ''See, I told you it was a witch hunt! They found NOTHING!'' The DNC and MSNBC shot themselves in the foot big time with this Russiagate conspiracy.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:16 PM   #12219
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Now Trump can go on the campaign trail and say ''See, I told you it was a witch hunt! They found NOTHING!'' The DNC and MSNBC shot themselves in the foot big time with this Russiagate conspiracy.
I'm not sure you fully understand how witch hunts work.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:16 PM   #12220
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1. Not a conspiracy
2. He’s already been saying it’s a witch hunt
3. There are other investigations ongoing
4. He’s already unindicted coconspirator..*****y unindicted because lolDOJ won’t indict a criminal president
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:21 PM   #12221
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He'll obv go down for financial crimes, but not for this.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:25 PM   #12222
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Rob Porter's ex-wife is not happy about his return to the public sphere, as she writes in a WaPo op-ed

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Last week, my ex-husband, former White House staff secretary Rob Porter, emerged from a year of silence to pen an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal. It was a seemingly benign and inconspicuous return to a world he was compelled to leave a year ago.

But it was not benign or inconspicuous to me. Rob’s fall from grace began when the media set about reporting on an old blog post I had written about the physical and emotional abuse I suffered during our marriage. Within hours, Colbie Holderness’s account of abuse as Rob’s first wife also came to light. These revelations instantly embroiled Washington and the White House in a scandal of who-knew-what-when, ultimately triggering an investigation into the protocol for awarding top security clearances. Rob denied the accusations.

I don’t believe Rob should be forever barred from using his considerable professional skills and knowledge to make a contribution to our society. But Rob’s sudden return to the public eye is deeply troubling to me, because he has yet to candidly address the thing that should — that must — come first: his personal conduct during his two marriages. Rob has yet to publicly show regret or contrition for his actions. Giving him a voice before he has done that critical work elevates his opinions above my and Colbie’s dignity.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:28 PM   #12223
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Honestly 24 hours of no tweets really has to make me think something out side of the current "dems got pwned" narrative most really be going on. Hope I'm not wrong.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:20 PM   #12224
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Just getting our hopes up; his team prolly took his phone “to the shop” for the day

He’ll be up early Sunday morning with a tweet storm; it’s all building up right now
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:26 PM   #12225
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Its understandable why dems wouldn't want to put all their eggs in the Russiagate basket. A Republican investigator is submitting a report to a Trump nominated Attorney General, who doesn't even have to release to congress let alone the public, and even if there is damning evidence in the report, you still can't indict. Democrats control the house for impeachment proceedings but the removal from office part (the important part) still goes through the Republican controlled Senate. Getting Trump investigated, exposed, and actually removed from office would be a miracle given how ****ed up our system is.

STILL, democrats are guilty of a colossal failure in messaging. That 50% of people think its a witch hunt is insane. There was another poll months back about half of Americans were unaware the Mueller investigation uncovered crimes. You have to hammer home basic facts. If people in general show an aversion to taking Russiagate seriously then you have to change their minds. You aren't going to be able to sell Medicare4All or a Green New Deal if you can't convince people that the sky is blue.
How exactly are the dems supposed to “message better” when there is an almost literal government propaganda network that serves as the sole source of news for a huge percentage of the population.
 

 
      

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