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I think some people itt really underestimate the power of the intangible and symbolism in politics. The wall is another example of this.

Sure it won’t do anything functional so why not let him build it for DACA, single payer etc?

The reason is the wall’s symbolism is far more toxic than its ability to stop people from crossing the border.

As was said earlier itt, the wall is a massive anti-Statue of Liberty which if built screams to the whole world America is a place for white people and all non-white should not come.

I think it is already abundantly clear to everyone that a big chunk of America thinks that. **** symbolism. It's a bourgeois concern. Do concrete things to help people.

01-04-2019 , 08:43 PM

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Mitt would be in the pool in a heartbeat for $10k. Even if it was Trump making the offer.

01-04-2019 , 08:45 PM

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01-04-2019 , 08:48 PM

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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...38106861838337

01-04-2019 , 08:54 PM

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01-04-2019 , 08:55 PM

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I think it is already abundantly clear to everyone that a big chunk of America thinks that. **** symbolism. It's a bourgeois concern. Do concrete things to help people.

So you have no concern with confederate monuments? What if trump wants to put a swastika on the whitehouse?

Of course symbolism matters. It’s not bourgeois. It’s psychology and sociology. Symbolism matters. It’s the grease of democracy’s machine.

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01-04-2019 , 09:00 PM

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Ally and Amex are best for FDIC insured savings. 2+%.

Barclays is FDIC insured and starts at 2.2% for the minimum requirements.

01-04-2019 , 09:02 PM

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01-04-2019 , 09:04 PM

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lol @ doubting Pelosi

Nice. Pelosi has been killing it. She's been doing a great job with priorities so far, too.

01-04-2019 , 09:04 PM

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Barclays is FDIC insured and starts at 2.2% for the minimum requirements.

wtf why have I never heard of this, I've been using Ally for quite awhile

01-04-2019 , 09:04 PM

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Rage Against the grease of the Machine, so that it might fall into disrepair.

This country is full of friction and short of grease.

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01-04-2019 , 09:11 PM

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01-04-2019 , 09:12 PM

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Most people will take an arms-folded position when they disagree with what they're hearing from another person speaking. Speakers will fail to communicate their message to their audience if they have not picked up on the crossed-arms position of their listeners. Experienced speakers know that this gesture means a good 'ice breaker' is needed to move their audience into a more receptive position that will change their attitude from negative to positive.

When you see someone take the crossed arms posture, it's reasonable to assume that you may have said something with which they disagree. It may be pointless continuing your line of argument even though the person could be verbally agreeing with you. The fact is that body language is more honest than words. As long as someone holds an arms-folded position, a negative attitude will persist.

Your objective should be to try to work out why they crossed their arms and to try to move the person into a more receptive position. The attitude causes the gesture to occur and maintaining the gesture forces the attitude to remain.

A simple effective way of breaking the arms-folded position is to give the listener something to hold or give them something to do. Giving them a pen, brochure, or refreshment forces them to unfold their arms and lean forward. This moves them into a more open position and, therefore, a more open attitude. Asking someone to lean forward to look at a visual presentation can also be an effective means of opening the arms-folded position. You could also lean forward with your palms up and say, 'I can see you have a question...what would you like to know?' or, 'What's your opinion?' You then sit or lean back to indicate that it's their turn to speak. By using your palms you non-verbally tell them that you would like them to be open and honest because that's what you're being.

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If they just start bringing him Diet Cokes he'll agree to anything.

01-04-2019 , 09:12 PM

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Would you feel this way if you were a Dreamer?

I don't know, nor do I know if I'd feel that way if I was a Steel Worker, a Puppeteer, or a Gymnast. If you want to know how they feel ask them.

01-04-2019 , 09:13 PM

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rofl why on earth is Trump tweeting about a book whose full title is "Choosing the Extraordinary Life: God's 7 Secrets for Success and Significance"

There's no chance he knows or cares what's inside

01-04-2019 , 09:18 PM

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rofl why on earth is Trump tweeting about a book whose full title is "Choosing the Extraordinary Life: God's 7 Secrets for Success and Significance"

There's no chance he knows or cares what's inside

Yeah, but he can count to seven! It probably reminds him of a Dale Carnegie book. He was a big fan, supposedly.

01-04-2019 , 09:19 PM

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I need to read more, and a President Trump Book Club might just be the impetus I need to not read more.

01-04-2019 , 09:25 PM

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Not trading a fraction of what the stupid ****ing wall would cost for a solution for 700k folks in citizenship limbo, or whatever the number is, is peak white people. It would be a trade off of a symbol of racism for actually alleviating the suffering of racism for hundreds of thousands.

01-04-2019 , 09:29 PM

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When d10 is on your side in an argument. You lost.

And you've got Clovis on your side. These are the dilemmas you put yourself in when you defend rep's strawmanning with ad hominem. It would probably be easier to form opinions based on the actual merits of each side but that would require some critical thinking so... nevermind I guess, stick with what you know.

01-04-2019 , 09:36 PM

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boring. he's gotta start adding more of a personal touch to these (obviously paid) celebrity endorsements. "this book helped me make my first 5 billion!", "i was working hard at my father's small business for 20 years and this book gave me the confidence to tell anyone who would listen that obama was an illegitimate president because he's african. and now i'm the president. amazon $9.95 use offer code MAGA"

01-04-2019 , 09:38 PM

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Because the wall won’t create any suffering?

Probably feels pretty great to grow up Latino in a county with the largest monument to hatred of latinos ever built.

I can’t imagine how this would cause any suffering!

It’s so bizarre seeing progressives argue symbols don’t matter.

Gay marriage
Trans pronouns
Confederate monuments
Nazi rallies
All white Trump administration
#Oscarssowhite

01-04-2019 , 09:38 PM

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wtf why have I never heard of this, I've been using Ally for quite awhile

Vanguard's money market fund is paying 2.43%. Depending on how much you value FDIC insurance you might want to consider that instead of a bank account.

01-04-2019 , 09:43 PM

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Would probably feel a lot better for 700k people who are already here and suffering that would snap take that deal despite the symbol being squarely pointed at them.