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Old 03-18-2019, 01:53 AM   #11751
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

Yeah in fairness a lot of liberals thought they would never stand for babies in cages and tent citiy camps. Nobody is doing **** until things get legitimately scarce for them and theirs.
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Old 03-18-2019, 01:59 AM   #11752
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He also said he wants to "get rid of" all Democrats and start the country over from scratch. I'm not sure if he wants to kill us, jail us, or deport us. I asked for some clarification...

I'm going to have to stop looking inside the bubble, it's too scary/depressing.
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Old 03-18-2019, 02:12 AM   #11753
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HRC basically a republican. Sounds good boys.

Keep on nitpicking that decade old post while also seriously suggesting we spend 90 trillion dollars on new entitlements.


"That's not a socialist...



That's a socialist."
Lol you keep digging the clueless well deeper and deeper.

I like how you think healthcare is an entitlement. I like that you have no grasp of economics to understand how any of this would be implemented and more importantly how it would impact the federal budget.

You are a shining example as to why we can’t have earnest, two-sided, discussions on this forum. You literally keep using phrases and concepts you don’t understand.

Just a little tip, just because it makes fiscal and executional sense for the government to manage a specific access or activity does not mean it is socialism.

“Herp Derp if anyone wants the government to spend money it’s socialism”.
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Old 03-18-2019, 02:17 AM   #11754
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Some day before I die, I will witness David Skalanski calling out flawed arguments from the conservative side, but that day is not today.
That's ridiculous. What about the recent example where I called out conservatives for using the argument that small sections of walls stop 95% of illegal crossings (as if they could extrapolate that to a full scale wall where there wasn't a convenient alternative to get across.)

Furthermore my comment wasn't taking the conservative side. It was sort of taking the side of liberals who were scared that an avowed socialist would be less likely to beat Trump.

But I wasn't even really taking THEIR side. They could be wrong because an avowed socialist might be more likely to beat him. The problem was only that those arguing against the worried liberals used an incorrect argument even if their conclusion was correct. They implied that all voters would lump together candidates who say they are socialists and candidates who deny that but are called socialists by the right.

Coming to the correct conclusion via fallacious arguments is worse than coming to the incorrect one. Because it delays the day that people decide to learn how to think.
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Old 03-18-2019, 02:20 AM   #11755
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In exciting news from my very minimal look inside the right wing bubble through a Facebook friend, he and some of his friends have declared that if a socialist wins in 2020, they will fight to the death to save the Constitution. I assume this means that if anyone left of John Kasich wins, they're going to grab their guns? They literally said in no uncertain terms that if a socialist wins, they support a civil war.

I think that's probably where we're headed. It's just a matter of the scale on which it happens. But after the next Democrat wins, we're going to see another huge uptick in right wing terrorism/violence.

He also said he wants to "get rid of" all Democrats and start the country over from scratch. I'm not sure if he wants to kill us, jail us, or deport us. I asked for some clarification...

I'm going to have to stop looking inside the bubble, it's too scary/depressing.
Also we've got half the forum "IT'S AGAINST THE LAW" and discussing it when the civil war/deportations/killings/whatever starts and the people in charge of said laws promptly not giving a ****.
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Old 03-18-2019, 02:33 AM   #11756
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Nah I just think Democrats are just horrible at delivering the message. They should be I am a capitalist that believes in Socialist policies like building roads ,bridges and healthcare for all. Plus point out Republicans have no issue with socialist policies like Medicare, Farm Subsidies, Oil Subsidies and the biggest one of all The Department of Defense
This how i think they should go.

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The flawed argument is: "The right wing spin machine will really call X, and not Y, a socialist". Responding that they'll call any of them socialists is what will actually happen and not a flawed argument.
Republicans have called dems socialist my entire life and long before it. To the point in a lot of ways its a meaningless word to their audience. The dems should take advantage of them making it meaningless and push for the most progressive candidate with a good shot at beating trump. Then to calm the centrist dems that person should pick a establishment candidate as their running mate.

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HRC basically a republican. Sounds good boys.

Keep on nitpicking that decade old post while also seriously suggesting we spend 90 trillion dollars on new entitlements.
What is the dollar point when someone goes from a capitalist to a socialist? Obviously the military is exempt and dems can spend as much as they want there.

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Old 03-18-2019, 03:27 AM   #11757
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Conservatives definition of socialism 1. Anything vaguely left wing, involving government spending, or really anything they don’t like.

Definition of socialism 2. Venezuela, the USSR, Cuba (but only the worst parts)

Use 1 to decide what to criticise. Use 2 to justify that criticism.

If anyone points out Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, just mention something about Muslims in Sweden.

easy.
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:06 AM   #11758
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Nice change of tone the last month or two by cuserounder about possibility everything's going to ashes after the election.
Pretty sad it took 2 years+ for you to reach these conclusions.
Now imagine about the rest of the population that isn't as smart as you and cannot write/express themselves as well, and you realize nothing will be done to change this.

Also worth noting that discussing socialism with trumpkins is useless, they just hate how the word sounds.
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:18 AM   #11759
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Conservatives definition of socialism 1. Anything vaguely left wing, involving government spending, or really anything they donít like.

Definition of socialism 2. Venezuela, the USSR, Cuba (but only the worst parts)

Use 1 to decide what to criticise. Use 2 to justify that criticism.

If anyone points out Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, just mention something about Muslims in Sweden.

easy.
Same as it ever was

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Old 03-18-2019, 06:37 AM   #11760
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Same as it ever was

Yeah, exactly. A lot of people on here are choosing the wrong front on which to have these arguments with conservatives. We should not be arguing about whether a particular policy is or is not socialism/socialistic, that’s conceding too much ground, ie that socialism is inherently bad. The “argument,” as much as it should be one, should be over the fact that they are so terrified of an abstract concept. Who cares if universal healthcare is “socialism”? Make them defend their irrational and ignorant fear of a concept that applies to tons of programs they love.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:34 AM   #11761
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Hey Inso0, how's it going? I'd like to engage with you on some productive and entertaining dialogue that will hopefully educate me, since you seem to know a lot more than I do on this topic. Fortunately for me, we have these wonderful forums with really intelligent people running them who have encouraged us to reach across the aisle in the spirit of productive intellectual discourse.

So, I don't think that the Democrats have 15 candidates tripping over themselves to out-socialism one another. But, perhaps my problem is that I don't actually know what socialism is. I know you're a very successful person who makes a lot of money, given that you often talk about how you have to pay too many taxes, but if you wouldn't mind using a few minutes of your valuable time, could you please educate me on what socialism is? I'd truly appreciate a few sentences about it so that I could figure out which 15 Democratic candidates I need to oppose so that I can fight against socialism in America.

Actually, on that note, I'm a little confused there too. This is obviously just my stupidity, but fortunately you are here to hopefully educate me. Why is socialism bad in and of itself? Why is it such a threat to America?

Thanks, Inso0. I look forward to engaging with you in some meaningful discourse! Once I know what socialism is and why it's so bad, we can engage in vigorous debate and maybe even have a little bit of fun.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:38 AM   #11762
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:46 AM   #11763
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:56 AM   #11764
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:15 AM   #11765
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:16 AM   #11766
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I mean, he’s not wrong.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:32 AM   #11767
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:39 AM   #11768
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:39 AM   #11769
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Doubtful he's aware of any of that.
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Old 03-18-2019, 09:50 AM   #11770
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If I was NP I'd be instructing all my members to keep on about repubs like Graham, Mitch, Collins etc having blood on their hands by facilitating the orange buffoon and his racist remarks.
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Old 03-18-2019, 10:07 AM   #11771
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that meme is so well-executed that i had to steal it and re-post it on social media a few weeks back

sorry not sorry
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:13 AM   #11774
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that meme is so well-executed that i had to steal it and re-post it on social media a few weeks back

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Conservative: We canít have those types of welfare programs in the United States! They just wonít work.

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Normal: So we canít have nice things because black people might get them too?

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Old 03-18-2019, 11:14 AM   #11775
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Nice change of tone the last month or two by cuserounder about possibility everything's going to ashes after the election.

Pretty sad it took 2 years+ for you to reach these conclusions.

Now imagine about the rest of the population that isn't as smart as you and cannot write/express themselves as well, and you realize nothing will be done to change this.



Also worth noting that discussing socialism with trumpkins is useless, they just hate how the word sounds.
Yup. I had one tell me the only place liberalism has ever worked is..... China. And liberalism = socialism.
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