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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
I'm talking about motivating OUR BASE you clueless moron. I explicitly said in my post that the right doesn't care about the shutdown so it won't affect them. So yes, you are still strawmaning me in this very post unless you just can't read.
Fighting to actually get some semblance of an agenda passed whether it happens or not isn't a terrible argument. Saying it is better to just throw your hands in the air, say it's impossible and do nothing is the terrible argument.
actually it sounded more like you were speaking vaguely about both sides-
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
I mean I thought we had largely agreed in this forum that elections are mostly about turning your voters out, not the mythical independent voters or converting people. Based on that I would assume things that increase/suppress turnout by one side or the other would be something we would care about. I care about winning as bigly as possible in 2020 so I think it matters, you are welcome to your own opinion.
idk how negotiating with them over this shutdown suppresses their 2020 turnout or boosts ours, but the fact is you aren't getting M4A for $5B in wall money, which is the exact sort of stupid nonsensical hypothetical that i objected to you blabbering about in the first place. but yea sure i'm the moron.
idgaf what you think anymore, and tbh i never really did. i just wanted to you to give me one good reason to cough up $5B in wall money, and you haven't.