Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
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Originally Posted by Inso0
First time possession with intent to distribute is not the same as someone minding their own business with a joint in his pocket, and yet both are classified as first time drug offenses for the purpose of that report.
The bar to get "intent to distribute" tacked on is tragically low, and way lower than you think.
That data is meaningless in a vacuum. Because of plea bargaining you need to see what they were arrested for in addition to what they were ultimately convicted of (meaning what they pled guilty to as part of a plea bargain). There may be many states where people end up in jail as fist time small drug offenders, but New York generally isn’t one of them. Prison for a first time drug possession on a C, D, or E felony in New York would be an exceedingly rare occurrence.
Edit: Also missing from those statistics is how many of those in prison are there because they violated a probation sentence on a drug offense. Probation is pretty much the standard plea bargain for all first time drug offenders in NY up to and including B felony level, a judge can even override the DA on this and allow probation, so it’s pretty frequent. Also possible is Drug Court, a rehabilitative program which the defendant can get into without the permission of the DA, and which will end up with no jail time and likely dismissal/reduction of charges at the end. The hammer of failing drug court though is eventually ending up in prison (although usually it’s just local jail time) if you continuously fail out and disregard the court’s instructions. Defendants on these types of probation and drug court sentences in NY are almost always given a ton of chances and “relapse” violations before they are ultimately kicked off and sent to jail. Again there are many states that you can point to where this is a significant issue, but NY isn’t a good example.
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
The bar to get "intent to distribute" tacked on is tragically low, and way lower than you think.
Are you really saying that passing a blunt between 2 white people is different from 2 Black people....... Na That can't be the case at all.
Inso, could you please watch this episode of Joe Rogan to help yourself understand the Drug War more..... There's thing in here that the majority of the public does not realise happens in everyday life.......
Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
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Originally Posted by JohnEPark
It's incredibly cowardly to attack someone after asking to shake their hand.
It's also cowardly to keep kids in offshore prisons for years, bully gay people for votes, and take aboriginal kids away from their parents.... but you know... we all choose what to be upset by.
Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
The bar to get "intent to distribute" tacked on is tragically low, and way lower than you think.
Also, again going back to NY since that was what was posted, there is no intent to sell statute in NY for marijuana, just controlled substances offenses (marijuana has it’s own statutory scheme which caps out at a class ‘C’ felony for more than 10 pounds of marihuana). The base level criminal sale of marihuana in NY is only a misdemeanor. This is all prior to it’s likely legalization sometime this year when that’s all going to get even more relaxed.
Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
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Originally Posted by smacc25
Are you really saying that passing a blunt between 2 white people is different from 2 Black people....... Na That can't be the case at all.
Inso, could you please watch this episode of Joe Rogan to help yourself understand the Drug War more..... There's thing in here that the majority of the public does not realise happens in everyday life.......
It's a informative discussion on the history of the War on Drugs with the Billy Holiday story being a instrumental factor in the war.
Thanks.... I think you'll enjoy it.
Passing a blunt between two people of any color in NY (again because that’s the state we were talking about) is at most a class ‘B’ misdemeanor. Further, if it’s a first offense the offender get’s a mandatory Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal, which means the case is adjourned for a year, and if they stay out of trouble for that year the case is automatically dismissed. This is the case for all misdemeanor level marijuana offenses in NY. That said, in 11 years as a prosecutor i never once saw police charge “passing a blunt” in this manner, they would almost certainly just charge both people with the violation level offense of unlawful possession of marihuana and give them a summons. They are still entitled to that ACD, but if it’s not their first offense they’re looking at a fine.
Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
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Originally Posted by rugby
It's also cowardly to keep kids in offshore prisons for years, bully gay people for votes, and take aboriginal kids away from their parents.... but you know... we all choose what to be upset by.
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
so Trump gonna go the route of saying it's not a big deal with Robert Kraft or I hardly knew the guy who was right next to him talking with Shinzo Abe awhile back.
Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
I wondered if Mar-a-Lago was set up like a Motel 6, with brochures from local businesses displayed in the lobby, except classy-like, which would have been where Kraft made his choice of spa, but then I figured they must have a spa on-site.
Someone needs to tell Trump his link is no good.
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency
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Leamer recounts an incident when one young cook wanted to impress the boss by preparing Kobe steaks — the “most tender steaks in the world.” After the chef cooked the meat, Trump, who prefers his very well done, found the meal far too easy to cut, says Leamer.
According to Leamer, “He says to [the chef], ‘What the f— is this? Bring me a steak.’ ” That was “the last Kobe steak that was ever served” at Mar-a-Lago.