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Old 02-22-2019, 03:14 PM   #8751
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Did you actually read this? Wouldn't even have had to go beyond the first line.

The people getting locked up are dealers, not the fictional kid tom mentioned who just gets caught on a stop and frisk with a dime bag.

The other thing this report doesn't get into is how many of those "minute amount" felony convictions were due to a stronger charge being reduced to limit their time behind bars.

We aren't throwing potheads caught with a joint in prison. It's simply not done.
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One in four incarcerated drug offenders was convicted of simply possessing drugs. The rest were convicted of possession with intent to sell, attempted sale or sales. Whether guilty of possession or sales-related offenses, most of the incarcerated offenders were low-level offenders involved with small amounts of drugs.4

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Old 02-22-2019, 03:17 PM   #8752
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

Ins0 you are ignoring the reality of weight laws which lead to people with personal amounts in some jurisdictions being charged as dealers and things like third strike rules that led to people being locked up for extremely long times.

You seem to believe the sentencing guidelines that determine what felony weight is was reasonably established or updared.

I suspect people with a criminal past are avsolutely being locked up for small amounts of marijuana.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:22 PM   #8753
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:39 PM   #8754
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so Trump gonna go the route of saying it's not a big deal with Robert Kraft or I hardly knew the guy who was right next to him talking with Shinzo Abe awhile back.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:51 PM   #8755
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

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Having the word "never" in there is going to lead to some LOL INSOs
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It's simply not done.
Later Inso0 making a strong argument against earlier Inso0 in favor of LOL INSOs
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:55 PM   #8756
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Ins0 you are ignoring the reality of weight laws which lead to people with personal amounts in some jurisdictions being charged as dealers and things like third strike rules that led to people being locked up for extremely long times.

You seem to believe the sentencing guidelines that determine what felony weight is was reasonably established or updared.

I suspect people with a criminal past are avsolutely being locked up for small amounts of marijuana.
Accepting this at absolute face value, my response would be the Louis CK trope I mentioned earlier in the thread. Of course it's horrible that someone would be arrested for and criminally convicted and sent to prison for having a small amount of pot, but MAYBE this person with a criminal past should take a hint from Fletcher Reede and knock that **** off.

Of course, extensive history of law enforcement in the USA would tell you that the reality of prison sentences for drug offenses is much different than some otherwise random innocent citizen being picked up for the first time with a small bag of weed. Arguing otherwise is ridiculous.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:56 PM   #8757
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I thought sure you guys had him cornered into backing universal health care a few days ago. How did that end up?
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:13 PM   #8758
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Cant be a great inso take without a healthy dose of victim blaming
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:28 PM   #8759
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We're all just ****ing pawns in a game.

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Old 02-22-2019, 04:49 PM   #8760
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We're all just ****ing pawns in a game.

Shocker, didn't see that coming.

False reports leaked from the White House propaganda machine regarding the investigation reaching it's imminent completion?

Oh, my pearls! They are so clutched.
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:53 PM   #8761
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Cant be a great inso take without a healthy dose of victim blaming
Just say no!

Pull yourself up by your bootstrap!

I can't see the the discrepancy in the sentencing lengths between minorities and whites for the exact same crimes because me head is so far up tRump's ass!
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:02 PM   #8762
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I didn't think it would take long for Inso to play the "maybe 'those people' should just behave themselves" card.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:15 PM   #8763
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Of course, extensive history of law enforcement in the USA would tell you that the reality of prison sentences for drug offenses is much different than some otherwise random innocent citizen being picked up for the first time with a small bag of weed. Arguing otherwise is ridiculous.
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Did you actually read this?
Lol, Inso. But really itís no longer funny, inso has been posting in here like a decade and seems incapable of altering any of his opinions or beliefs despite constantly being proven wrong. Should be bannable, imo.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:19 PM   #8764
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

Honestly I think hilarity would ensue with an Inso shadow ban, but i'm 99% sure this forum software doesn't support it, *sigh*.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:22 PM   #8765
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Shocker, didn't see that coming.

False reports leaked from the White House propaganda machine regarding the investigation reaching it's imminent completion?

Oh, my pearls! They are so clutched.
It is hysterical that many times now the Whitehouse has tried to force Muellerís hand with these pronouncements. They will be a fun part of the eventual biopic.

Even today SHS was saying sheís confident the findings will show nothing soon. All the while itís clear Trumo and his dumbest advisors keep thinking this is a good idea to leak that the report will be delivered soon. It is eventually followed up with Trump spaz tweeting about witch hunts and no collusion and then media stories confirming it was never true.

This scenario has played out how many times now? Quite a few. One time it will actually be right, sort of.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:24 PM   #8766
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Trump has actively called for violence against the media.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:26 PM   #8767
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

In today's LOL America, Trump's 538 approval is 42.6; since March 2017, his approval has hit this mid to upper 42% range several times but this is essentially his peak since the initial honeymoon phase of his presidency ended. What a country we have here!
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:45 PM   #8768
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Did you actually read this? Wouldn't even have had to go beyond the first line.

The people getting locked up are dealers, not the fictional kid tom mentioned who just gets caught on a stop and frisk with a dime bag.

The other thing this report doesn't get into is how many of those "minute amount" felony convictions were due to a stronger charge being reduced to limit their time behind bars.

We aren't throwing potheads caught with a joint in prison. It's simply not done.


Itís not just the dime bag that does the kid in


Seriously listen to season 3 of serial. It might make you a more empathetic person.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:49 PM   #8769
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Well given polling something around 80% of GOP voters support the declaration.

It's always been about all of them that support KING TRUMP THE FIRST.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:55 PM   #8770
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Lol, Inso. But really itís no longer funny, inso has been posting in here like a decade and seems incapable of altering any of his opinions or beliefs despite constantly being proven wrong. Should be bannable, imo.
First time possession with intent to distribute is not the same as someone minding their own business with a joint in his pocket, and yet both are classified as first time drug offenses for the purpose of that report.


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Honestly I think hilarity would ensue with an Inso shadow ban, but i'm 99% sure this forum software doesn't support it, *sigh*.
Hilarious for who? Wookie, maybe, since he'd be the only one to know. I don't think you know how shadow bans work. I'd figure out after the second post that went without a goofyballer repsonse, so that jig would be up pretty quick on my end.

You could lobby to have me legit banned if you feel so strongly about it. I admit I don't quite understand the point of a completely single-minded forum, but whatever floats your boat.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:30 PM   #8771
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It's not so much a single-minded forum as it is wanting people who just don't make **** up constantly.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:39 PM   #8772
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I gave it a solid effort, but the only concrete data I could find about the state prison population of people who are in there without a charge more serious than marijuana possession was 0.3%. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/sisfcf04_q.pdf

It's pretty old data.

The FEDERAL data says that the number who are in for only drug possession (all drugs, no data for only marijuana) is 0.04%.

Definitely a major problem.


Edit: I still stand by the statement that even with these incredibly low figures, that doesn't mean stronger charges weren't plead down to possession. So for all I know the three tenths of one percent state number and four hundredths of one percent federal number still includes people who were actually busted for something more than just possession.
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I admit I don't quite understand the point of a completely single-minded forum, but whatever floats your boat.
LOL "single-minded forum". Let's just quote this post again:

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The extent to which this forum is an echo chamber is correlated with the extent to which the GOP is an extremist party doing abhorrent things and its fervent supporters are detached from reality.

Ask questions like...

Is family separation okay?

Is voter ID a good thing?

Were there fine people on both sides in Charlottesville?

Does Trump lie a lot?

Is banning Muslims from entering the country cool?

But what about all the illegals getting free Medicaid without paying taxes?

Aren't you worried about this new caravan coming?

Yeah, we're going to be an echo chamber on those because the answers are pretty obvious to the vast majority of intelligent, critical thinkers.

On the other hand if you ask questions like...

What's the best solution on healthcare and why?

What are the best marginal tax rates and tax brackets?

What would your ideal gun policy be?

Should we balance the budget?

Should Democrats compromise on issue X and why?

You'll find that the regs have views that don't totally align, and during normal political times would be discussed and debated more.

Unfortunately we're living through some dark times with some awful things being done, and this is creating more alignment between center-right, center-left and left-wingers. Those remaining on the right don't necessarily notice the difference, and just think anything entirely left of today's GOP is a far left echo chamber.

The other important point here, which I don't think Mason addressed despite requests for examples, is that there is a big difference in telling someone defending racism that they're a horrible person and telling someone who disagrees on other issues the same thing.

Likewise there's a difference in telling someone honestly looking for discussion to pound sand, and telling someone who is repeatedly arguing in bad faith or being willfully ignorant of facts to do the same.

There are certainly instances of all four examples, but if we allow that telling off a racist or someone arguing in bad faith is not a problem, tweaking some modding/policies should take care of the rest.

Throw out a few temp bans and give obvious trolls less rope before they're tossed. I would also propose requiring people to respond to valid counterarguments/questions IF they respond to a post. Often what leads to name calling and vitriol is a poster engaging in debate only to repeatedly respond without addressing any of the points that they know are losers for them or that they can't refute, while pretending they don't even exist and throwing out some other garbage arguments.

They often get mocked for this, which honestly seems fair (to a degree), since it's a form of trolling.

While some regs encourage the forum to just completely ignore them, the knowledge that we have a lot of lurkers who are perhaps trying to form opinions and decide where they stand makes me more inclined to respond.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:47 PM   #8774
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I gave it a solid effort, but the only concrete data I could find about the state prison population of people who are in there without a charge more serious than marijuana possession was 0.3%. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/sisfcf04_q.pdf

It's pretty old data.

The FEDERAL data says that the number who are in for only drug possession (all drugs, no data for only marijuana) is 0.04%.

Definitely a major problem.


Edit: I still stand by the statement that even with these incredibly low figures, that doesn't mean stronger charges weren't plead down to possession. So for all I know the three tenths of one percent state number and four hundredths of one percent federal number still includes people who were actually busted for something more than just possession.
can i do what conservatives do and use my own experience as something to ruin all data?

i put a dude in prison for 4 years for 11 grams of marijuana.. i also got yelled at because the deal was below his minimum at the time.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:53 PM   #8775
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So YOU'RE the one. You monster.
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