The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 337 - Politics and Economics

The officials who objected included White House lawyers and H.R. McMaster, then the chief of the National Security Council. They called for a halt in the nuclear sales discussions in 2017, citing potential conflicts of interest, national security risks and legal hurdles.

Yet the effort to promote nuclear sales persisted, led by retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who served briefly as President Trump’s national security adviser, and more recently by Energy Secretary Rick Perry. The possible nuclear power sale was discussed in the Oval Office as recently as last week.

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The Cummings report notes that one of the power plant manufacturers that could benefit from a nuclear deal, Westinghouse Electric, is a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Management, the company that provided financial relief to the family of Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and adviser. Brookfield Asset Management took a 99-year lease on the family’s deeply indebted New York City property at 666 Fifth Avenue.

This is not the first time that people giving money to Kushner have been tied to foreign policy influence. Should be like the biggest scandal in at least a decade but will be overlooked or forgotten by end of the day, unbelievable.

02-19-2019 , 01:25 PM

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Polling on the national emergy trails Trump support

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A new NPR-PBS-Marist College poll was launched when Trump declared his national emergency four days ago. And the verdict isn’t a good one: The poll shows 61 percent of registered voters disapprove of Trump’s national emergency declaration, vs. 36 percent who approve of it.

The opposition spans nearly every demographic group. Of the more than 40 groups broken out by the poll, only Republicans (both men and women), Trump supporters, white evangelicals and rural voters don’t see opposition cresting 50 percent. (Rural voters, though, are split 47-47 — despite favoring Trump 61-34 in the 2016 election.)

02-19-2019 , 01:26 PM

#8403

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Well Clovis8 must not be all that sure about his Trump prostignations vis a vis Kissinger:

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

If there was some way to make a long term bet I’d snap take the side that in 100 years historians will be nearly unanimous that Trump will have been one of the most destructive leaders ever in terms of global destabilization. If you factor in his stipping of environmental regulation the number of deaths that will be attributed to him will make Kissinger look like Mr. Rogers.

Kissinger was pure evil but his evil didn’t attack the very foundations of global democracy.

This isn't nearly as large as his usual bet size:

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

I’d snap bet my net worth trump couldn’t define bestowed or enduring.

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This ****ing idiot thinks border security is the only job of president. Stfu about the wall you moron. How about you do something else for 5 minutes.

I hope he never gets a cent for the ****ing wall.

I don’t even have to look it up to be willing to snap bet my net worth every one of those stats he cites is a complete lie.

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Lol you think the fact that you googled an out of context quote is proof you listened?

I am more confident you have never listened to the Harris podcast than I am of the existence of gravity. You are a complete fraud.

As I said, if there was anyway to bet fairly I would honestly bet my net worth on it.

You think Harris is a racist 100% because someone on Twitter called him that. Period.

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When a decision has no obvious answer; on one side you have one of the dumbest people to ever live, standing alone, and on the other side you have nearly every single expert on earth, I am happy to snap go all in with my net worth on the latter.

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As if Trump mentions this no matter what. He knows nothing about science. I’d snap bet my net worth he couldn’t name all the planets.

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He literally knows nothing about NAFTA or the current deal. Nothing. Again this is not hyperbole. I would snap bet my net worth he could not describe either with even a Wikipedia level of knowledge.

I’d actually bet $500 he couldn’t tell you what the acronym stands for.

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1.5 I snap ship my net worth on the under

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I would bet a very large percentage of my net worth his IQ is below 90. I'd guess low to mid 80s.

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I would snap bet my net worth Trump could not define Seperation of Powers. I would be my life he doesn't know it is encoded in the Constitution.

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Especially given I would snap bet my entire net worth, both current and lifetime, that trump has never read a word of the constitution.

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I wish there was a long term betting market because I would ship my net worth on a bet that 100 years from now Trump's action today regarding climate change policy will be viewed as the single most reckless action taken by a president to this point in history. Yes including slavery(!!!!).

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

I would snap bet my net worth he wouldn't be able to pass in introduction college exam on any of the following,

Globalization
Trade deficit
Trade war
Bilateral trade
Tariffs
The tpp
Nafta
Currency manipulation

Or any other aspects of global finance.

He has the two most dangerous personality traits, that when combined are toxic; he knows almost nothing but believes he knows almost everything.

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Good point although I would snap bet my net worth he will also end up with the lowest overall and lowest single poll result in recorded history.

Please remember to wager responsibly!

02-19-2019 , 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GMan42

I kind of get the sense that Trump will be exhausted and disgusted enough by 2020 that he won't go nuts trying to de-legitimize the election results or anything, beyond a couple of passive-aggressive tweets suggesting it was a fix from the beginning and he saw it coming.

I do see him ****ting all over the actual transfer of power in whatever way he can but in childish ways. Refusing to speak to the incoming POTUS to pass along any info, destroying any piece of paperwork he legally can (and then some), firing everyone he can at all levels like two days before inauguration, etc. Probably steal a painting or two from the WH on his way out too.

So long as he's in office, he can't be criminally charged. I expect him to do everything possible to stay in office for his entire life. I wouldn't be surprised to see him call a national emergency over voter fraud, delaying elections until we could "figure out what the hell is going on".

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...editor-1174527

Ex-Sessions spokeswoman to join CNN as political editor

No shock. It's been made clear that CNN secretly wants Trump to get a second term so their ratings continue to stay high.

02-19-2019 , 02:09 PM

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"No shock. It's been made clear that CNN secretly wants Trump to get a second term so their ratings continue to stay high. "

I dunno. The amount of stuff that's going to be exposed/come out/be admitted to by people flipping to avoid prision the minute he's waddles off into the sunset is going to keep ratings high for years. I think CNN wins either way.

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02-19-2019 , 02:19 PM

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To GOP lawmakers, Trump is the most accessible president they can remember

As in: he is always available to talk on the phone because he doesn't actually do any work

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One surprise call came from Air Force One as President Trump was leaving Iraq, startling Sen. James M. Inhofe (R) as he was chopping wood back home in rural Oklahoma with his grandson. When Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) recently stepped off a plane, a White House voice mail was waiting for him, saying Trump was “available for the rest of the evening” for another round of their regular phone conversations.

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“I never called President Bush or President Obama,” said Barrasso, who has served in the Senate since 2007. “I just feel comfort in calling President Trump. He calls me regularly to talk about issues. He’s always helpful for both of us.”

Longtime senators who have served through multiple administrations say they have never seen a president so easily accessible to lawmakers. The calls are part of what occupies the wide swaths of “executive time” on Trump’s schedule — an unstructured stretch of the day he uses to call allies and hold meetings that are otherwise not publicly announced.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell — whom Trump has called while the Kentucky Republican was attending a Nationals baseball game — is among the most frequent of the president’s phone partners. But Trump also speaks often with Sens. David Perdue (R-Ga.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) and Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), according to people familiar with the conversations.

Rep. Mark Meadows (N.C.), who is chairman of the House Republicans’ conservative faction and was once considered for White House chief of staff, also chats several times per week with Trump, mostly in impromptu calls.

“I’ve never seen anything like it,” said one GOP senator who occasionally calls Trump, chuckling.

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Lawmakers rarely have to wait for Trump to return their calls — if they have to wait at all.

“The vast majority, he just picks up,” said another GOP senator, who regularly calls Trump and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. “If he doesn’t . . . he’ll return them within an hour.”

02-19-2019 , 02:49 PM

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He is dumb of course but Google tells me that around half Americans think that Noah's Ark is real.

Where would the avg idiot American rank if they were given the same education and other opportunities as trump.

02-19-2019 , 03:01 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/u...tigations.html

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Mr. Trump called Matthew G. Whitaker, his newly installed attorney general, with a question. He asked whether Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York and a Trump ally, could be put in charge of the widening investigation, according to several American officials with direct knowledge of the call.

Mr. Whitaker, who had privately told associates that part of his role at the Justice Department was to “jump on a grenade” for the president, knew he could not put Mr. Berman in charge, since Mr. Berman had already recused himself from the investigation. The president soon soured on Mr. Whitaker, as he often does with his aides, and complained about his inability to pull levers at the Justice Department that could make the president’s many legal problems go away.

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Mr. Whitaker, who earlier this month told a congressional committee that Mr. Trump had never pressured him over the various investigations, is now under scrutiny by House Democrats for possible perjury.

02-19-2019 , 03:03 PM

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Intimidation, Pressure and Humiliation: Inside Trump’s Two-Year War on the Investigations Encircling Him

02-19-2019 , 03:05 PM

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No shock. It's been made clear that CNN secretly wants Trump to get a second term so their ratings continue to stay high.

It's not that, it's that these people in the media entertainment/infotainment biz are all chummy. Remember Trump and Mika used to friends, SNL had no problem letting Trump host the show, Colbert let Sean Spicer host the Emmys after he left the White House, etc. These guys love to act like they're #Resistance now, but for decades they never had any problem with him and his bigotry. It's a lock that we'll see various Trump toadies gets jobs within the media.

02-19-2019 , 03:28 PM

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WTF would anyone give anything to ****ing Judicial Watch???

02-19-2019 , 03:55 PM

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Why doesn’t the FBI turn their evidence over to the authorities?

02-19-2019 , 03:57 PM

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I don't think we should read too much into the Sarah Isgur hiring. If she has no experience in TV news, I can't imagine her role is going to be very big. There's too much at stake for CNN to put someone without experience in a very important role. She may bring something to the table in terms of having Republican sources, but there's no way that she'll be dictating coverage. She doesn't know enough about the biz to do that. The story doesn't indicate that she is replacing anyone, so I would write this off as not a big deal.

02-19-2019 , 04:02 PM

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02-19-2019 , 04:13 PM

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SCJ Uncle Tom, err I mean Clarence Thomas, calls for reconsideration of landmark libel case

https://us.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politi...sby/index.html

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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on Tuesday called for reconsideration of a landmark First Amendment precedent, criticizing the 1964 decision that the Constitution creates a higher barrier for public figures to claim libel.

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His position echoes complaints of President Donald Trump, who has called for libel laws to be reconsidered in light of news stories about him.

02-19-2019 , 04:16 PM

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SCOTUS is openly blocking for Trump now. WAAF.

02-19-2019 , 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chippa58

I don't think we should read too much into the Sarah Isgur hiring. If she has no experience in TV news, I can't imagine her role is going to be very big. There's too much at stake for CNN to put someone without experience in a very important role. She may bring something to the table in terms of having Republican sources, but there's no way that she'll be dictating coverage. She doesn't know enough about the biz to do that. The story doesn't indicate that she is replacing anyone, so I would write this off as not a big deal.

From the article it sounds like she'll be doing exactly that:

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Isgur, who served as the Justice Department’s leading spokeswoman under Attorney General Jeff Sessions, is joining the network as a political editor next month, where she will coordinate political coverage for the 2020 campaign.

02-19-2019 , 04:19 PM

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Thomas mad about his lechering days being dredged up again in the media by that whole kavanaugh thing. Wants more safe space for his legacy.

02-19-2019 , 04:23 PM

#8419

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

SCOTUS is openly blocking for Trump now. WAAF.

Nah, just Thomas. Not a surprise at all considering his history. I'd guess he'll go down as the most useless justice of all time. You could basically replace him with a stuffed owl with a default vote as far to the right as possible, and you'd have the same results.

I'd be interested in Simplitucus's take, though.....

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02-19-2019 , 04:25 PM

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Creepy Clarence is an ORIGINALIST and the Framers never said in the First Amendment that celebs had to overcome a higher barrier to claim libel.

OK, I guess he's right about that.

In fact, he's SO right that...the Framers didn't bother to mention libel at all. So if Creepy Clarence really cares about ORIGINALISM he should be pissing on libel law altogether, not complaining about one particular SCOTUS decision.

fwiw Hugo Black's thoughts on the subject:

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“The only sure way to protect speech and press against these threats is to recognize that libel laws are abridgments of speech and press and therefore are barred in both federal and state courts by the First and Fourteenth Amendments. I repeat what I said in the New York Times case that ‘An unconditional right to say what one pleases about public affairs is what I consider to be the minimum guarantee of the First Amendment.’ “

So yeah, the cynic/realist in me thinks Creepy Clarence doesn't give a squirt of piss about ORIGINALISM, he's just stanning for Trump.

02-19-2019 , 04:32 PM

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Of all the ideas ever conceived originalism has to be in the top 1% in terms of stupidity.

02-19-2019 , 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DTD

He is dumb of course but Google tells me that around half Americans think that Noah's Ark is real.

Yeah but Trump would fail to count how many of each type of animal were going on the arc.

02-19-2019 , 04:47 PM

#8423

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Originally Posted by otatop

From the article it sounds like she'll be doing exactly that:

You are reading too much into "coordinating political coverage". CNN puts out at least 18 hours of original programming a day. They employ dozens of producers, executive producers and so on. No single person "coordinates" all of the political coverage for CNN.

A print-media writer's understanding of the inside working of television is limited. Isgur's knowledge is limited as well. To effectively "coordinate" coverage, you need to know not only your only job, but that of the many other employees around you. Again, she is not replacing an existing manager, so her job is being created for her. I suspect it means she will have a seat at the conference table and will have input when it comes to interview sources and maybe other story ideas. It would be grossly unfair to her and suicidal for the network to put her in an actual leadership role.

02-19-2019 , 04:47 PM

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I wish we built a high speed rail from Mexico to Los Angeles.

02-19-2019 , 04:56 PM

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We also have yet to see how much he tests the peaceful transfer of power.

I agree with the poster pointing out the futility in spending a lot of time ranking the relative horribleness of supervillains. Almost as much of a waste as reminding us that the POTUS might be average among groups that are terrible at world geography.

Literally nothing good comes from trying to decide of Trump is or will be worse than Kissinger or anyone else. Every path of that discussion ends poorly for everyone who wants to stay focused on resisting the current POTUS and his staff.

Non of its constructive, none of it is useful in any argument or discussion related to the current president. There is literally nothing positive to be gained from this discussion. I certainly think the discussion should be moved some place else for those who insist on continuing with it.

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