The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 334 - Politics and Economics

If you asked me if I'd like to remove Trump from the Presidency and put Kissinger in (who is 95 and somehow still alive because these people never die) I would give you the fastest "**** no" ever. Wouldn't have to think about it for even a second.

I mean I get your point, the problem is you’re greatly underestimating the damage Rump will have done by the time the book is closed on him

Sure, to this point Kissinger is in the lead, but the potential destruction Rump will have caused puts him to shame

02-18-2019 , 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

If there was some way to make a long term bet I’d snap take the side that in 100 years historians will be nearly unanimous that Trump will have been one of the most destructive leaders ever in terms of global destabilization. If you factor in his stipping of environmental regulation the number of deaths that will be attributed to him will make Kissinger look like Mr. Rogers.

Kissinger was pure evil but his evil didn’t attack the very foundations of global democracy.

Ah yes, Kissinger had a deep respect for the foundations of global democracy, as evidenced by his concern for democratic institutions in Chile, SE Asia, East Timor, and elsewhere. Kissinger was willing to go the extra mile to promote peace and democracy in these regions in a way that Trump will never do.

02-18-2019 , 11:50 PM

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I'm sure that Clovis is going to come back here with some mealy mouthed bull**** about how I never said Kissinger was good, I said he was bad! Except tell us one thing that Trump did to undermine global democracy that was as bad as Kissinger's support for the coup in Chile? As bad as the genocide in East Timor? As bad as the bombing of Laos and Cambodia? Trump hasn't done a goddamn thing that's even in the same ****ing ballpark as that. Jesus ****ing christ.

02-19-2019 , 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen

OK, go on then. What destruction will Trump have wrought on the world in the next 23 months? Seems like from a pure human misery standpoint Kissinger's accomplishments have vastly outstripped Trump's at this point. How is Trump going to close the gap exactly? Seems like a pretty daunting task tbh. Gonna have to get busy genociding imo.

02-19-2019 , 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

What's the price vs randomly chosen 72 year old American white man? Push if neither gets it.

We aren’t talking about a random 72 year old white man

We are talking about the president of the United States

Come on man.

02-19-2019 , 12:20 AM

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Hot Rod is running for the door, apparently......Beep Beep!

02-19-2019 , 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

We aren’t talking about a random 72 year old white man

We are talking about the president of the United States

Come on man.

Right but David's argument has basically been Trump is of above average intelligence for his age cohort -- that he was above average in 1980 and now, though he's dumber now than he was in 1980 (which is true for his whole cohort). That doesn't mean he isn't the dumbest president of all time aniec. I'm sure David would agree.

02-19-2019 , 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

jesus christ Kissinger has personal responsibility for millions of deaths. Millions.

What about killing the whole planet though

That’s prob more than 1,000,000

02-19-2019 , 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

What about killing the whole planet though

To be fair, OK **** that... Yeah he's defoe worse.

Rod Rosenstein link....

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...-down-official

02-19-2019 , 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Vehemently disagree.

As bad as Trump has been with refugees, that pales in comparison to Kissinger's international atrocities, and Trump has been mercifully incompetent at starting international conflict.

02-19-2019 , 01:17 AM

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As weird as that soccer tweet is for the utter randomness, it's also quite a liberal message within that he's (unintentionally) endorsing.

So bizarre.

02-19-2019 , 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

What about killing the whole planet though

That’s prob more than 1,000,000

I have my doubts on how much marginal benefit Clinton would have provided in this area.

02-19-2019 , 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

As weird as that soccer tweet is for the utter randomness, it's also quite a liberal message within that he's (unintentionally) endorsing.

So bizarre.

someone else with his twitter password saw the timeline was too heavy with obstruction of justice so threw in an obscure post so they can later claim trump had no idea what he was tweeting because he had severe alzheimers when he tweeted those things

02-19-2019 , 01:48 AM

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02-19-2019 , 02:44 AM

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Trump tweeted something about soccer? I honestly do not believe it.

02-19-2019 , 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hired Goons2

Would love to see Ted Lieu tweet this.

If we get another thread dedicated to a politician's tweets like we have for AOC and for the orange mushroom conman, I vote for Ted Lieu. He is absolutely great. I would give up golf for him to be an Oklahoma congressman.

02-19-2019 , 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by whosnext

Trump tweeted something about soccer? I honestly do not believe it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...Findex167.html

It seems likely this was his social media person not realizing he was still on Trump's account, but it did happen...

02-19-2019 , 03:49 AM

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Might be best to wait and rank trump after he is out of office. He still has time for wars and mayhem. Id be a little surprised if war with Iran is not a possible reelection strategy.

Though if you are like me and think we are at a very critical time environmentally and he might be pushing us off a cliff...he is not great. It will take time to judge that damage.

02-19-2019 , 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by batair

Looking like it will be Venezuela this time...

02-19-2019 , 04:37 AM

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Why is she wearing a W shirt?

02-19-2019 , 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Trump is worse than Kissinger and it’s not close.

This is the kind of stuff everyone makes fun of you for Clovis.

Soccer vid is Barron showing Donald something and Donny getting distracted.

02-19-2019 , 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian

Looking like it will be Venezuela this time...

Why not both! But yeah you are probably right.

02-19-2019 , 05:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHip41

We aren’t talking about a random 72 year old white man

We are talking about the president of the United States

Come on man.

A random 72 yr old is still a big fave.

Where does Trump rank vs other presidents? Last

02-19-2019 , 05:54 AM

#8350

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SJCX

A random 72 yr old is still a big fave.

Where does Trump rank vs other presidents? Last

Last obviously. But how can you think he is an underdog to a random American well past school age.

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