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All the national emergency talk made me (and apparently this thread) miss out on the fact that we have a new Attorney General.

Party line vote to confirm except that Rand Paul voted no and Manchin (of course), Doug Jones (dude, republicans aren't ever going to like you. stop it) and Kyrsten Sinema (what the ****) voted yes.

02-15-2019 , 12:41 AM

#7778

uDevil

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Sinema's vote is not all that surprising. She's a centrist with no well-defined ideology.

Unrelated,

https://twitter.com/stpeteyontweety/...450277377?s=19

02-15-2019 , 12:44 AM

#7779

JoltinJake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

He's lying. There's a reason he didn't declare a national emergency. McConnell, who doesn't want a dem president declaring a national health care emergency, probably told Trump that if he called an emergency then the Senate would pass the house bill with no wall funding. The Pres. would have to use military funds for a while and then would have to provide detailed info about the emergency for any additional funding after 120 days or something.

It's such a bad idea that I'm surprised Trump didn't do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

He’s also clearly not doing the national emergency. If he was going to do that, he would have done it today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoltinJake

Don't think Trump is bluffing about the national emergency.

He's sensitive to how the Ann Coulter types are reacting, and he'll want to show them he's still pushing for the wall. Democrats aren't going to agree to a bill that allows him to save face, so he won't have any alternatives.

Sorry to pick on you lawyer types but... told you guys Trump wasn't bluffing about the emergency.

Trump doesn't care about whether or not this will work from a legal perspective. He doesn't care about precedent. He only cares about how Fox News viewers will see it, which is STRONG MAN TRUMP STICKS IT TO THE BROWNS. Almost every decision he makes is to feed his narcissism, and watching fawning coverage of himself on Fox is perfect for that.

02-15-2019 , 12:46 AM

#7780

ChrisV

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Today in retro Trump hot takes:

02-15-2019 , 12:50 AM

#7781

TwitchySeal

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoltinJake

Jake - 1
Rest - 0

Probably

02-15-2019 , 12:59 AM

#7782

JoltinJake

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i'm tired of winning

02-15-2019 , 12:59 AM

#7783

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uDevil

Sinema's vote is not all that surprising. She's a centrist with no well-defined ideology.

Unrelated,

https://twitter.com/stpeteyontweety/...450277377?s=19

omg this was so ****ing good. except alec baldwin's trump impression sucks, anthony atamanuik ftw

02-15-2019 , 01:21 AM

#7784

synth_floyd

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Wow the MAGA heads on the_donald haven't gotten in line. The comments are negative about him signing the bill.

02-15-2019 , 01:36 AM

#7785

uDevil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

omg this was so ****ing good. except alec baldwin's trump impression sucks, anthony atamanuik ftw

Spiner=Stone is uncanny but there are def some misses. Animal or cartoon actors should be out. He did add Robert Duval= Rudy, which is

02-15-2019 , 01:42 AM

#7786

grizy

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I am a lawyer type and I never thought Trump knew or cared about the implications of declaring national emergency. It’s a big part of why conceding anything is dumb. He’ll just keep flailing around until he’s convinced he really can’t get anymore. And any concession to people like him suggests you’re not quite at your bottom line yet.

Meanwhile, McConnel’s just like “I don’t want anything to do with this **** so let me recommend something that makes sure Trump gets all the blame for the incoming ****storm.”

Meanwhile, I bet Trump actually enjoys the idea that he has unchecked powers to raid some "pots of money."

Last edited by grizy; 02-15-2019 at 01:52 AM.

02-15-2019 , 02:03 AM

#7787

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uDevil

Spiner=Stone is uncanny but there are def some misses. Animal or cartoon actors should be out. He did add Robert Duval= Rudy, which is

the best actor to play stephen miller is John Cazale who is unfortunately long dead.

02-15-2019 , 02:08 AM

#7788

corvette24

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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: get used to me decaying. << march thread title submission.

02-15-2019 , 03:24 AM

#7789

JoltinJake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Wow the MAGA heads on the_donald haven't gotten in line. The comments are negative about him signing the bill.

yeah, which is why trump is going to couple it with the emergency declaration. most of these idiots will be appeased (or at least distracted) when they find out daddy is taking money from puerto rico to pay for the wall.

02-15-2019 , 04:12 AM

#7790

hobbes9324

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I've never thought McConnell was dumb (evil and a turd, sure) - but I can't believe he's willing to go along with Trump on the Emergency thing. I wonder if a) he's already counted the Senate votes and thinks they'll shut it down (unlikely) or b) if he assumes (and has somehow been assured) that the courts will strike down the Emergency decree.

Which would probably be the optimal outcome as far as he would be concerned, I'd guess.
Dummy can flail around with the wall crap for a few months, have the courts tell him "LOL, nah" - by which time he's on the way out of office.

It just seems odd that McConnell would toss away so much power for something he has repeatedly said is a bad idea.

Or something.

MM MD

02-15-2019 , 04:28 AM

#7791

Double Down

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hobbes9324

Politically it still doesn't make sense. The polls show that people disapprove of a national emergency ~65-33. There is no good reason to declare your support for something that is incredibly unpopular AND has a very good chance to not even happen. My only thought is that in that last minute convo with Trump to convince him to sign the deal, Trump told him he would but only if McConnell publicly endorses a national emergency. And a Happy Meal. With a GOOD toy.

02-15-2019 , 05:02 AM

#7792

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Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, told reporters there were two hours of phone calls between McConnell and the White House before there were assurances that Trump would sign. In a surprising development, McConnell said he would support Trump’s emergency declaration, a turnabout for the Kentucky Republican, who like many lawmakers had opposed such action.

McConnell is an amoral worm who will do anything which is politically expedient. Trump was evidently threatening to shut the government down again if he didn't get his emergency, supported by McConnell. McConnell's options there are:

1) Allow the government to get shut down again
2) Go to war with Trump (teaming up with Dems for a spending bill, overriding vetoes, etc)
3) Support the emergency

Option 3 isn't GOOD or anything, but obviously McConnell calculated, correctly imo, that it was less politically damaging to the GOP and to him personally than options 1 or 2.

02-15-2019 , 09:17 AM

#7793

anatta

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Quote:

Sens. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Rand Paul (R-KY) came out against President Donald Trump’s intention to declare a national emergency Thursday after voting against the funding bill.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/g...cy-declaration

02-15-2019 , 09:20 AM

#7794

anatta

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Quote:

“Today’s national emergency is border security. But a future president may use this exact same tactic to impose the Green New Deal. I will wait to see what statutory or constitutional power the President relies on to justify such a declaration before making any definitive statement. But I am skeptical it will be something I can support.”

rubio wrote above, paul tweeted.

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Senator Rand Paul
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@RandPaul
I, too, want stronger border security, including a wall in some areas. But how we do things matters. Over 1,000 pages dropped in the middle of the night and extraconstitutional executive actions are wrong, no matter which party does them

02-15-2019 , 09:24 AM

#7795

feedthabeast

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He's more useful as a punching bag for his neighbor.

02-15-2019 , 09:33 AM

#7796

Riverman

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Way to go, Kentucky.

Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.

Top that.

02-15-2019 , 09:47 AM

#7797

Cornboy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Down

There is no good reason to declare your support for something that is incredibly unpopular AND has a very good chance to not even happen.

Does it really matter if it is never built? Trump is already saying that the wall is being built and they've made tremendous progress.

02-15-2019 , 09:51 AM

#7798

tomdemaine

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Quote:

Originally Posted by feedthabeast

He's more useful as a punching bag for his neighbor.

Or turned upside down and used as a toilet brush.

02-15-2019 , 10:16 AM

#7799

dlk9s

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"I don't necessarily think declaring a National Emergency for a make-believe emergency is wrong, I mean, I hate brown foreigners as much as the next guy, but I don't want my political opponents to use this same weapon against us, even if it's for something objectively good that most of the country wants."