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Old 02-12-2019, 03:20 PM   #7401
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Shame_Trolley is making a good point about the wall though. Why wouldn't the Dems just support something like the strike which seemed so effective before?
I believe most of the strikes are illegal, especially wildcats. Or at least violations of NLRB regs iirc. If I'm right, I can see not opening that particular wormcan.

On the other hand a little civil disobedience never hurt anyone eh?
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Old 02-12-2019, 03:25 PM   #7402
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Old 02-12-2019, 03:43 PM   #7406
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I believe most of the strikes are illegal, especially wildcats. Or at least violations of NLRB regs iirc. If I'm right, I can see not opening that particular wormcan...
Wildcat means a strike that violates a no strike clause. That's an issue for the union officers to worry about, as they can be jailed in contempt if they don't attempt to follow a court ordered back to work.

That is of zero concern to anyone else. I can advocate for a wildcat all day any day. So can the politicians. Politicians who want to help the left, would be doing just that. Politicians who don't want to "open that can of worms" are helping the Right. Just that simple.

Since the officers of the flight attendant union is calling for a strike, we can safely assume that such a strike would be legal. In general a safety related strike is always legal.
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:36 PM   #7411
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almost every time i see kellyanne conway i end up googling "crypt keeper puns" but none of them really translate to politics unfortunately
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:46 PM   #7413
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I believe most of the strikes are illegal, especially wildcats. Or at least violations of NLRB regs iirc. If I'm right, I can see not opening that particular wormcan.

On the other hand a little civil disobedience never hurt anyone eh?
Isn't the entire point of a strike is that it's being performed in such large numbers that it's just not feasible to take action against them? I know that it usually refers to firing them, but wouldn't arresting them be as unrealistic? Are there resources to arrest thousands of people across the country?
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:50 PM   #7414
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At this point I don't know how to feel about what the Dems gave up. On the one hand, they gave them 55 miles of wall and got nothing in return. On the other, if he rejects the deal and shuts down the government again on a temper tantrum, they baited him into an even bigger unforced error that can give them even more leverage moving forward...

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I guess you could argue that the Dems "get" to avoid another shutdown, but in reality that is best defined as "getting" to look like the responsible adults in the room. The problem is, this can easily blow up in their faces in a few ways. Like, "Hey, look, it's okay if we give this buffoon another term because the Democrats will be responsible enough to keep the country running and he'll cut our taxes and stuff." It could also blow up by pissing off some of their base and depressing turnout.

But I struggle to see the long game here. The Democrats strategy was to insist that Trump end the shutdown before they discuss any immigration deals or wall funding. Trump ends the shutdown, they give him a little something and get nothing. If he takes it, they ultimately take a small loss and he takes a small win, but still has egg on his face from the shutdown. If he shuts it down again, they absolutely have to take the same position (no negotiations during a shutdown). So he caves and ends the shutdown, maybe in a month and a half or two months this time, and then what? Why do I have any reason to believe that they will do any better in THAT round of negotiations than in THIS round? Like, did they even push for the Dreamers or TPS or anything that the Republicans don't want? There is no give and take here, just the GOP negotiating with the Dems over how much it gets to take - a little or a lot.

Ultimately, if the point of each round of negotiations is to avoid the next shutdown, Democrats are still just negotiating against a hostage taker...
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:56 PM   #7415
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If they approved 55 miles of fence instead of 2000 miles of wall I think what they get is a win. Especially if he signs it despite getting roasted by his media friends.
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:59 PM   #7416
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Whatever deal was made will be killed tonight by Hannitaids. This is a fact.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:03 PM   #7417
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If they approved 55 miles of fence instead of 2000 miles of wall I think what they get is a win. Especially if he signs it despite getting roasted by his media friends.
Well, we currently have ~600 miles of wall. He wants ~1000 more miles of wall. So what they're giving him is 655 miles instead of 600 miles.

Or to put it another way, 55 new miles instead of 0 new miles.

Or, to put it yet another way:

Trump gets: 55 miles of wall
Dems get: ????

What is the win? That he only got part of what he wanted and not all of it, while they got nothing? That's an odd definition of a win.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:07 PM   #7418
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Isn't the entire point of a strike is that it's being performed in such large numbers that it's just not feasible to take action against them? I know that it usually refers to firing them, but wouldn't arresting them be as unrealistic? Are there resources to arrest thousands of people across the country?
Wholesale arrests are unlikely but wholesale firings have actually happened (ATC under Reagan) so that would be the chief concern.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:09 PM   #7419
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Dems keep the lights on for a while and made President McDeals look like a clown. That’s worth a little additional fencing. If they refuse the deal then this time they look like the ones who are shutting down the govt.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:15 PM   #7420
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If I were trump rn I'd just start claiming that the wall is being paid for and built by Mexico and if anyone tries to fact check me I call them fake news enemy of the people
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:16 PM   #7421
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Wholesale arrests are unlikely but wholesale firings have actually happened (ATC under Reagan) so that would be the chief concern.
Under the circumstances I doubt any airline would take the publicity risk of a mass firing.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:18 PM   #7423
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Just photoshop the great wall of China onto a satellite photo of the US-mexico border and say it's already built
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:21 PM   #7424
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Well, we currently have ~600 miles of wall. He wants ~1000 more miles of wall. So what they're giving him is 655 miles instead of 600 miles.

Or to put it another way, 55 new miles instead of 0 new miles.

Or, to put it yet another way:

Trump gets: 55 miles of wall
Dems get: ????

What is the win? That he only got part of what he wanted and not all of it, while they got nothing? That's an odd definition of a win.
The win is that Trump doesn't get what he wanted, and in order to show that he did you have to start explaining details that deplorables don't want to listen to. "I wanted a wall from see to shiny see and fought hard for it and the Dems gave me 5% of it, I'm such a great negotiator!" is a loss.
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Is it 55 miles of wall or 55 miles of Obama-fence?
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