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Old 01-03-2019, 10:36 AM   #626
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says the guy who had a forum-quitting meltdown because he had no clue what the 14 words are and tried to make us all believe that sarah palin had no clue either

**** off clovis
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:37 AM   #627
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:38 AM   #628
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This is just plain stupid. You either don’t understand trumpism or know nothing about American political history.
He's right. This has been the GOP since it embraced the Dixiecrats/Southern Strategy. Trump just says the **** out loud now.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:41 AM   #629
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says the guy who had a forum-quitting meltdown because he had no clue what the 14 words are and tried to make us all believe that sarah palin had no clue either

**** off clovis
It never ceases to amaze how trump-like you are.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:41 AM   #630
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clovis is just doing his usual thing where he has a kneejerk reaction to defend any "small-c conservative" in america as if they're somehow different/can't be lumped in with the rest of these moronic trumpers- because, at least before trump, he'd be a GOP voter in USA#1. and now he's projecting his lack of knowledge re: american history onto the rest of us.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:42 AM   #631
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It never ceases to amaze how trump-like you are.
lol you do this every time my dude. have fun projecting
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:43 AM   #632
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I'm too lazy to find and link to the old DVaut posts about Trumpism being a ground-up phenomenon, but they were some good ones.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:45 AM   #633
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:46 AM   #634
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He's right. This has been the GOP since it embraced the Dixiecrats/Southern Strategy. Trump just says the **** out loud now.
I agree, Trump is a racist and the GOP have been racist for decades. However racism is not the central tenet of trumpism. Authoritarianism is the central tenet and that is very new for the GOP. It is from this tenet that all the worst parts of his presidecy are derived. The anti-media, anti-intellectual attacks on fact. The calls for fidelity to the king. The hatred of checks and balances. The very erosion of democracy.

Racism is a throughline but Trumpism is absolutely not the same thing as the GOP even 5 years ago.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:47 AM   #635
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I don’t see how the GOP walks it back to the days of Mitt Romney. They’ve just given their base the Attitude Era of GOP politics, no one is going to tune in to watch Hulk Hogan leg drop the Iron Sheik. There’s some sort of tectonic shift that’s going to have to happen in the next ten years.
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if they had AM talk radio and rush limbaugh up in canada, clovis would be posting itt every day like rara
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I'm too lazy to find and link to the old DVaut posts about Trumpism being a ground-up phenomenon, but they were some good ones.
This is exactly right. The GOP created trumpism but catering to their fringe so much the fringe became their mainstream.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:49 AM   #638
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I agree, Trump is a racist and the GOP have been racist for decades. However racism is not the central tenet of trumpism. Authoritarianism is the central tenet and that is very new for the GOP. It is from this tenet that all the worst parts of his presidecy are derived. The anti-media, anti-intellectual attacks on fact. The calls for fidelity to the king. The hatred of checks and balances. The very erosion of democracy.

Racism is a throughline but Trumpism is absolutely not the same thing as the GOP even 5 years ago.
do you even patriot act, my dude? remember when W fired all those US attorneys? remember the war on drugs? remember benghazi?

lol you as always. confirming what i said about you definitely being a GOP voter if you were american tho
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if they had AM talk radio and rush limbaugh up in canada, clovis would be posting itt every day like rara
Keep on trumpiní
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This is just plain stupid. You either don’t understand trumpism or know nothing about American political history.
What would president Jeb! being doing differently to trump? Not demeanor, I mean actual policies that affect real people? Same hideous tax cuts, same children in cages, same rapist judges on the scotus. We'd probably already be at war with Iran.
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What would president Jeb! being doing differently to trump? Not demeanor I mean actual policies that affect real people? Same hideous tax cuts, same children in cages, same rapist judges on the scotus. We'd probably already be at war with Iran.
I agree policy wise they are identical but that is because trump doesn’t care about policy at all and let’s the GOP run it completely.

Trump cares about power and prestige and his real damage is not policy. Just like they have for hundreds of years policies can be reversed (set aside SCOTUS stacking for now).

Trumps damage is erosion of democracy and social trust. Those are much harder to reverse.
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Old 01-03-2019, 11:00 AM   #644
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What would president Jeb! being doing differently to trump? Not demeanor, I mean actual policies that affect real people? Same hideous tax cuts, same children in cages, same rapist judges on the scotus. We'd probably already be at war with Iran.
and certainly not putting the jackboot of the govt to the throat of poors and minorities, suppressing the vote, initiating/supporting sham investigations of political opponents, and gutting federal ethics/oversight mechanisms. that's obviously totally new stuff for the GOP
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I agree policy wise they are identical but that is because trump doesnít care about policy at all and letís the GOP run it completely.

Trump cares about power and prestige and his real damage is not policy. Just like they have for hundreds of years policies can be reversed (set aside SCOTUS stacking for now).

Trumps damage is erosion of democracy and social trust. Those are much harder to reverse.
What good is democracy if ~half the time it leads to this (and the other half is a meek technocrat like obama whose incremental improvements get overturned instantly)?
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In what alternate reality has the GOP not always been authoritarian?
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that is most definitely a rock of poorly crushed stimulant shooting out his nose @ 0:30. 100%.
I didn't think there was anything that could bring him closer to the deplorables and them to him, but they will truly finally know he is one of them when it is officially revealed he also has a pill habit.
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He still doesn’t understand the basic wiki version of how a tariff works.
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Looks like we've adjusted down a bit
I think Sklansky is a Bayesian.
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