The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 232 - Politics and Economics

A clear-eyed conservative foreign policy wonk interested in discussing this article would credit the NATO Secretary for making some lemonade out of the bucket of **** dumped on him by Trump.

Pokerdox, do you also think Mattis was just unaware of this brilliant Trump strategy to strengthen our alliances that you claim worked brilliantly when Mattis resigned clearly and explicitly over a disagreement re: the importance of US alliances. That would have been pretty ****ing stupid of Mattis, I think.

No, I think Trump does some dumb ****, and Mattis resigning was a very bad sign.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Mattis resigned over NATO.

01-28-2019 , 08:13 PM

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ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerodox

No, I think Trump does some dumb ****, and Mattis resigning was a very bad sign.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Mattis resigned over NATO.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/polit...doc/index.html

My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.

01-28-2019 , 08:14 PM

#5778

ScreaminAsian

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is it smart of trump to keep his secretary of defense out of the loop of his nato negotiating tactic?

to the point where mattis resigns in protest of trump's handling of america's allies & enemies and trump still keeps it a secret because that 100 bil will be all worth acting like putin's puppet for 3 years

01-28-2019 , 08:19 PM

#5779

pokerodox

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OK, SA, I'll take that as a statement that he resigned over NATO, even though his language was vague.

That just means Mattis and Stoltenberg disagree. I agree that Mattis's position tends to reduce the vigor of Trump's NATO success, but it can't wipe it out. I'll be curious to see what National Review or other conservative foreign policy sources say about Trump/NATO going forward.

01-28-2019 , 08:21 PM

#5780

pokerodox

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Trump is all over the place and probably extremely difficult and frustrating to work for.

01-28-2019 , 08:23 PM

#5781

fxwacgesvrhdtf

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Originally Posted by alazo1985

What are the odds Nate Silver lurks this thread?

I mean, he used to post on 2+2 and some of his really early blogging work on 538 referenced 2+2, so it’s possible.

01-28-2019 , 08:28 PM

#5782

ScreaminAsian

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i'm waiting for chris hayes to have a big "LOL DOCUMENTS" chyron on his show and i feel like it could happen any day now

01-28-2019 , 08:31 PM

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Riverman

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The senate is going to....

wait for it

...VOTE TO REPEAL THE ESTATE TAX LOLOLOLLLLL

Currently no tax on estates up to $22 million, btw.

01-28-2019 , 08:33 PM

#5784

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by Riverman

The senate is going to....

wait for it

...VOTE TO REPEAL THE ESTATE TAX LOLOLOLLLLL

Currently no tax on estates up to $22 million, btw.

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...15909505363968

01-28-2019 , 08:35 PM

#5785

Johnny Truant

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What does that $100B convert to in Sklansky Bucks?

01-28-2019 , 08:37 PM

#5786

Riverman

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Should do wonders for blue collar economic anxiety!

01-28-2019 , 08:39 PM

#5787

Max Cut

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*Garrison is fitting right in as a Soviet prop artist.

01-28-2019 , 08:41 PM

#5788

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Those $50,000,000 mom and pop family farms will be safe at last.

01-28-2019 , 08:47 PM

#5789

Riverman

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“Estate tax doesn’t matter, rich people will always find a way around it.”

- Rich people, always

Weird

01-28-2019 , 08:50 PM

#5790

whosnext

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Cmon. Perfectly understandable.

They gotta keep trying different ways of giving billions of dollars to rich people until some of it trickles down to regular folk!

01-28-2019 , 08:53 PM

#5791

LFS

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Rich people will use that money to invest and create jobs, as they did with the corporate tax cuts. Big win for the economy. Great!

01-28-2019 , 08:55 PM

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Lol, what even is the point of this stunt? It clearly never passes the house, and it’s not like it’s going to get their base of white working class voters all jazzed up...

01-28-2019 , 08:57 PM

#5793

kerowo

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Of course it plays to their base, the death tax has always been something the poors hated because, um, well, because liberals liked it.

01-28-2019 , 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jman220

Lol, what even is the point of this stunt? It clearly never passes the house, and it’s not like it’s going to get their base of white working class voters all jazzed up...

same reason they passed a million repeal ocare bills, it won them elections.

eh, you'd be surprised how many of them think it hits them

01-28-2019 , 09:05 PM

#5795

JoltinJake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

Lol, what even is the point of this stunt? It clearly never passes the house, and it’s not like it’s going to get their base of white working class voters all jazzed up...

It's to fellate their donors. They know it won't pass and they know the base dgaf. It's a message to the rich donor class: we still work for you, please keep giving us money.

01-28-2019 , 09:07 PM

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01-28-2019 , 09:17 PM

#5797

JoltinJake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

Of course it plays to their base, the death tax has always been something the poors hated because, um, well, because liberals liked it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

same reason they passed a million repeal ocare bills, it won them elections.

eh, you'd be surprised how many of them think it hits them

Nah, it's not this. Sure, there's a portion of the base that believes it, but that isn't the point. This isn't about animating the base. It's about appeasing the donors.

The base being utterly brainwashed on economic voodoo allows them to get away with it, but this is for the donors.

01-28-2019 , 09:20 PM

#5798

Namath12

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POS traitors

01-28-2019 , 09:22 PM

#5799

Grue

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lol @ neither CNN or MSNBC carrying SHS's monthly lie fest btw.

01-28-2019 , 10:00 PM

#5800

JohnEPark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Awval, I hope you know that when you stayed at the Trump hotel, Donald Trump thought "I took this chump's money because he's a loser and I'm a winner."

Might be ponied, but Trump is definitely on to something here.

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