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Old 01-23-2019, 05:29 PM   #4701
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Donnie Deals will now be weighing up bombing Venezuela - maybe to stop a caravan from forming in 72 hours.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:30 PM   #4702
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Venezuelan President Maduro gives U.S. diplomats 72 hours to leave after U.S. recognizes opposition leader as interim president
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:30 PM   #4703
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The "president may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper" means if congress is not in session, he call force them to convene a session of congress. Congress is already in session. It doesn't mean he can force them to make him give a speech. It's a historical remnant from when congress used to not be in session for long periods of time.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:32 PM   #4704
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Today, I am officially recognizing the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, as the Interim President of the United States of America. In its role as the only legitimate branch of government duly elected by the American people, the House of Representatives invoked the countryís constitution to declare Donald Trump illegitimate, and the office of the presidency therefore vacant. The people of the United States have courageously spoken out against Trump and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:32 PM   #4705
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... So it must be given in front of the Congress...
This is incorrect.

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...In 1801, Thomas Jefferson discontinued the practice of delivering the address in person... until 1913 when Woodrow Wilson re-established the practice...The last President to give a written message...was Jimmy Carter in 1981...
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:33 PM   #4706
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:33 PM   #4707
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I'm no Scalia, but the text of the constitution says,



So it must be given in front of the Congress, he can't do a MAGA rally in Sweethick, Mississippi and call it the State of the Union.
It doesn't have to be in front of Congress, he just has to give his update to them. From 1801-1913 the President just sent a letter, he could give his speech anywhere and send a transcript to Congress.

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Old 01-23-2019, 05:33 PM   #4708
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So he wants done to Maduro what many of us want done to him. #MadTigerCliffs
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:33 PM   #4709
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Starting to get fed up Mueller honestly:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller...ny-11547583925

What gives him the right to stop Cohen from talking, particularly as Mueller seems to ascribe to the view that a sitting President cannot be indicted? The only recourse is impeachment, which is a political process.... And you are going to make people keep a ton of **** secret for more than two years into the Trump Presidency and you don’t even claim the ability to do anything about it at the end of whatever investigation you are doing? Seems like a rigged game to me....
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:34 PM   #4710
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My understanding is that she can't lock him out of the house but she can force him to stfu in the house.
I didn't mean "lock" literally.
Article 2 - The Executive Branch
Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:37 PM   #4711
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Democrats need to realize this and propose something that allows him to save face while not giving him the border wall. I'm not sure what it could be but when you have a successful negotiation, both sides come out feeling like they win or at least don't feel like they lose. Trump is the worst negotiator because for him everything is zero sum.

No

He took the government hostage after making dreamers and TPS and immigrants in general hostages

We donít need to negotiate; he needs to release the hostages and then negotiate in a non-hostage situation
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:42 PM   #4712
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It doesn't have to be in front of Congress, he just has to give his update to them. From 1801-1913 the President just sent a letter, he could give his speech anywhere and send a transcript to Congress.
Obviously he could give it in writing, but he can't call the speech he is giving the SOTU unless it is given in front of congress.

I guess it is possible as a spectacle. The transcript of one of those weird rambling speeches would stand up though as truly presidential. Also would love to be the person who has to read that gibberish into the Congressional record.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:47 PM   #4713
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:47 PM   #4714
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Lol thatís what I thought, so I was confused.

Isnít there a way for Congress to pass something even if the Prez vetoes it??

Oh wait, Mitch. Duh.
They can override a veto with 2/3 of both house and senate. Impossible in this environment.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:50 PM   #4715
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Overall, 34 percent of Americans approve of Trumpís job performance in a survey conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Thatís down from 42 percent a month earlier and nears the lowest mark of his two-year presidency. The presidentís approval among Republicans remains close to 80 percent, but his standing with independents is among its lowest points of his time in office.
Anyone noticed how long it's been since MALAUGAAAAAAA showed up ITF?
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:50 PM   #4716
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What Democrats need to release is a comprehensive immigration policy. Border security, daca, work visas etc. Be ready to negotiate off of that policy only when the government opens.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:50 PM   #4717
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Too much going on this episode. I leave to go pee and now we’re at war with Venezuela or something.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:51 PM   #4718
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Since there's no question that Trump will not take "no" for an answer on the SOTU, especially from a woman (Pelosi) telling him what to do: how do we think he tries to force his way in? Does he grab some Marines and do a military invasion of the Capitol to take control of the video feed and hold Dems in their seats at gunpoint?
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:53 PM   #4719
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Starting to get fed up Mueller honestly:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller...ny-11547583925

What gives him the right to stop Cohen from talking, particularly as Mueller seems to ascribe to the view that a sitting President cannot be indicted? The only recourse is impeachment, which is a political process.... And you are going to make people keep a ton of **** secret for more than two years into the Trump Presidency and you donít even claim the ability to do anything about it at the end of whatever investigation you are doing? Seems like a rigged game to me....
I mean, thereís lots of legit reasons you donít want cooperating witnesses spilling all the beans in an active investigation.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:01 PM   #4720
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Trump touting the poll. Mexicans at the border understand!

Real life.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:05 PM   #4721
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... Trump... how do we think he tries to force his way in?...
According to this source, precedent and current rules say a POTUS can wander onto the house floor at will, however if he started to give a speech out-of-order... then we gotta constitutional crisis.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:06 PM   #4722
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The treatment of people like Spicer in the media is one of the most frustrating aspects of our society to me. He did literally nothing but stand there and spout ridiculous lies. Why should anyone care what he has to say about anything?
Well the mooch was cast on celebrity big brother which started like 5 or so days ago and the previous two episodes airing the last two nights and live feeds airing last night.

For no known reason he was in Davos yesterday. Nothing on the show in terms of the game would indicate he was evicted so it was much more likely a preplanned casting stunt. Spicer was long rumored to be going on the show but could not agree on compensation.

The show had Omarossa on last year, so this is not new but for some reason I find these two clowns worse and I have disliked omarossa for a decade plus.

Just like I wish the rumors SHS canít find other employment are true I am not holding my breath.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:07 PM   #4723
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The US has no diplomats left in the world. Checkmate Maduro!
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The Hispanics finally recognizing his greatness wrt the wall will save him. Don't worry.
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