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I think the thing that keeps getting muddled is this is a three way deal that requires all three parties. While the democrats may actually make a deal that the lunatic king would accept, the republicans would never go for it.

There does not seem to be a real resolution other than forcing trump to capitulate as this is something both parties in Congress would follow through with, most likely.

All any “deal making” talks does is drags thing out. Trump is going to have to eat a **** sandwich here.

01-23-2019 , 04:14 PM

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whosnext

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Originally Posted by Namath12

And if a witness won't testify before Congress because he's being threatened by the goddamned POTUS where in the **** is this country heading??

heading?

01-23-2019 , 04:18 PM

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Namath12

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Originally Posted by Matty Lice

This seems like a big deal.

COMMIT PERJURY OR YOU'RE GONNA NEED SURGERY

01-23-2019 , 04:19 PM

#4679

whosnext

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I think the cool kids have already come up with a shorter pithy saying that applies here.

(or maybe that's the joke)

01-23-2019 , 04:21 PM

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Dominic

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Question: what exactly is a “veto-proof” budget/bill?

01-23-2019 , 04:22 PM

#4681

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

COMMIT PERJURY OR YOU'RE GONNA NEED SURGERY

01-23-2019 , 04:22 PM

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Matty Lice

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How can the House go around Mitch and force a vote? Our Founding Fathers weren't so great if Trump/Mitch can just shut **** down until they get their way.

01-23-2019 , 04:22 PM

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markksman

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I still stand by my hot take that making him give the SOTUA now with the shutdown going on is great optics for the Dems. Why delay it?

Now we have the additional problem that Nancy’s power move might trigger a for real Constitutional crisis. She cannot back down here without undermining the entire legislative branch. This was really not a great play.

Disagree simply because Trump is deathly afraid of public appearances anywhere where he is not going to be loved. Trump is not going to push this to the brink.

He can easily be persuaded to turn this into a Hicksville Rally.

01-23-2019 , 04:23 PM

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PartyGirlUK

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Question: what exactly is a “veto-proof” budget/bill?

2/3 of both Houses.

01-23-2019 , 04:23 PM

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eyebooger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

Question: what exactly is a “veto-proof” budget/bill?

I assume it's one that passes by such a margin that if it were vetoed, Congress could override it if the votes stayed the same.

01-23-2019 , 04:25 PM

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markksman

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BUILD A MOAT, CRIME DON'T FLOAT!

Build a ditch, don’t be a *****.

01-23-2019 , 04:28 PM

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CalledDownLight

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Originally Posted by markksman

The Republicans will have to cave (as a whole though there are a few exceptions) if Trump wants a deal. The base definitively supports Trump a lot more than they support a Senator or House member. If those congresspeople flaunt Trump they're gonna get primaried successfully in many cases.

01-23-2019 , 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Question: what exactly is a “veto-proof” budget/bill?

A veto-proof bill doesn't exist in the current environment. The senate can't even get the votes to pass a bill they passed last month 100-0, simply because the idiot threw a tantrum.

01-23-2019 , 04:30 PM

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smacc25

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Originally Posted by markksman

Build a ditch, don’t be a *****.

Mitch?

01-23-2019 , 04:41 PM

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Dominic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m_reed05

A veto-proof bill doesn't exist in the current environment. The senate can't even get the votes to pass a bill they passed last month 100-0, simply because the idiot threw a tantrum.

Lol that’s what I thought, so I was confused.

Isn’t there a way for Congress to pass something even if the Prez vetoes it??

Oh wait, Mitch. Duh.

01-23-2019 , 04:48 PM

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John21

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

I take it back. She's killing it. This should work.

Idk. She has the power to lock him out of the House but he has the power to lock her in.

01-23-2019 , 05:05 PM

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My understanding is that she can't lock him out of the house but she can force him to stfu in the house.

Both senate/house have to pass a resolution for him to be able to give the speech in at least the house chamber (idk if it's both or not) in the first place.

Trump wins on this either way in his mind--either Trump gets to walk over Pelosi or he gets a petty fight with her and he wants both of those things.

01-23-2019 , 05:16 PM

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Sitting at my car mechanics, the guy who runs the place is an Iranian immigrant. Fox News on the TV all day. "I don't get it, my taxes went up. But I still like him. I'll vote for him again and he'll win in 2020."

The propaganda machine is strong.

01-23-2019 , 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

And if a witness won't testify before Congress because he's being threatened by the goddamned POTUS where in the **** is this country heading??

01-23-2019 , 05:19 PM

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I think she's fine if she sticks to a message along the lines of, "The American people want us to re-open the government. We've been glad to do that all along on a clean CR, and we'll gladly invite you to give the SOTU on the first Tuesday after you sign a clean CR. Do it right now and we'll see you next Tuesday!"

01-23-2019 , 05:21 PM

#4696

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"Well, he'd have to speak outside" is a great line.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/sta...64159383134208

01-23-2019 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

I'm no Scalia, but the text of the constitution says,

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He (POTUS) shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union...

So it must be given in front of the Congress, he can't do a MAGA rally in Sweethick, Mississippi and call it the State of the Union.

However, the same section 3 of the constitution does say,

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he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them with Respect to the Time Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper...

So while he can't have a MAGA rally, he can tell both houses that they must convene in a joint session and give the speech then. The interesting part will be how he hand waves extraordinary occasions. Also, reading the constitution makes me realize the founding father's were just as random at capitalization as Trump is.

01-23-2019 , 05:25 PM

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ScreaminAsian

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Today, I am officially recognizing the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, as the Interim President of the United States of America. In its role as the only legitimate branch of government duly elected by the American people, the House of Representatives invoked the country’s constitution to declare Donald Trump illegitimate, and the office of the presidency therefore vacant. The people of the United States have courageously spoken out against Trump and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law.

01-23-2019 , 05:27 PM

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Strontium Dog

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

Do it right now and we'll see you next Tuesday!"

My bolding

01-23-2019 , 05:28 PM

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Paul McSwizzle

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The treatment of people like Spicer in the media is one of the most frustrating aspects of our society to me. He did literally nothing but stand there and spout ridiculous lies. Why should anyone care what he has to say about anything?

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