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Old 01-23-2019, 04:14 PM   #4676
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There's no negotiating on this, in Trump's mind anything but $5.7 billion for his wall means he lost the deal, which means he won't accept it.
I think the thing that keeps getting muddled is this is a three way deal that requires all three parties. While the democrats may actually make a deal that the lunatic king would accept, the republicans would never go for it.

There does not seem to be a real resolution other than forcing trump to capitulate as this is something both parties in Congress would follow through with, most likely.

All any “deal making” talks does is drags thing out. Trump is going to have to eat a **** sandwich here.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:14 PM   #4677
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And if a witness won't testify before Congress because he's being threatened by the goddamned POTUS where in the **** is this country heading??
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:18 PM   #4678
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This seems like a big deal.

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Old 01-23-2019, 04:19 PM   #4679
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I think the cool kids have already come up with a shorter pithy saying that applies here.

(or maybe that's the joke)
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:21 PM   #4680
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Question: what exactly is a “veto-proof” budget/bill?
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:22 PM   #4681
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:22 PM   #4682
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How can the House go around Mitch and force a vote? Our Founding Fathers weren't so great if Trump/Mitch can just shut **** down until they get their way.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:22 PM   #4683
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I still stand by my hot take that making him give the SOTUA now with the shutdown going on is great optics for the Dems. Why delay it?

Now we have the additional problem that Nancy’s power move might trigger a for real Constitutional crisis. She cannot back down here without undermining the entire legislative branch. This was really not a great play.
Disagree simply because Trump is deathly afraid of public appearances anywhere where he is not going to be loved. Trump is not going to push this to the brink.

He can easily be persuaded to turn this into a Hicksville Rally.
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2/3 of both Houses.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:23 PM   #4685
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I assume it's one that passes by such a margin that if it were vetoed, Congress could override it if the votes stayed the same.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:25 PM   #4686
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I think the thing that keeps getting muddled is this is a three way deal that requires all three parties. While the democrats may actually make a deal that the lunatic king would accept, the republicans would never go for it.

There does not seem to be a real resolution other than forcing trump to capitulate as this is something both parties in Congress would follow through with, most likely.

All any “deal making” talks does is drags thing out. Trump is going to have to eat a **** sandwich here.
The Republicans will have to cave (as a whole though there are a few exceptions) if Trump wants a deal. The base definitively supports Trump a lot more than they support a Senator or House member. If those congresspeople flaunt Trump they're gonna get primaried successfully in many cases.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:29 PM   #4688
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A veto-proof bill doesn't exist in the current environment. The senate can't even get the votes to pass a bill they passed last month 100-0, simply because the idiot threw a tantrum.
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Mitch?
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:41 PM   #4690
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A veto-proof bill doesn't exist in the current environment. The senate can't even get the votes to pass a bill they passed last month 100-0, simply because the idiot threw a tantrum.
Lol that’s what I thought, so I was confused.

Isn’t there a way for Congress to pass something even if the Prez vetoes it??

Oh wait, Mitch. Duh.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:48 PM   #4691
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I take it back. She's killing it. This should work.
Idk. She has the power to lock him out of the House but he has the power to lock her in.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:05 PM   #4692
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My understanding is that she can't lock him out of the house but she can force him to stfu in the house.

Both senate/house have to pass a resolution for him to be able to give the speech in at least the house chamber (idk if it's both or not) in the first place.

Trump wins on this either way in his mind--either Trump gets to walk over Pelosi or he gets a petty fight with her and he wants both of those things.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:16 PM   #4693
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Sitting at my car mechanics, the guy who runs the place is an Iranian immigrant. Fox News on the TV all day. "I don't get it, my taxes went up. But I still like him. I'll vote for him again and he'll win in 2020."

The propaganda machine is strong.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:17 PM   #4694
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My understanding is that she can't lock him out of the house but she can force him to stfu in the house.

Both senate/house have to pass a resolution for him to be able to give the speech in at least the house chamber (idk if it's both or not) in the first place.

Trump wins on this either way in his mind--either Trump gets to walk over Pelosi or he gets a petty fight with her and he wants both of those things.
I think she's fine if she sticks to a message along the lines of, "The American people want us to re-open the government. We've been glad to do that all along on a clean CR, and we'll gladly invite you to give the SOTU on the first Tuesday after you sign a clean CR. Do it right now and we'll see you next Tuesday!"
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:21 PM   #4696
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"Well, he'd have to speak outside" is a great line.

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Old 01-23-2019, 05:21 PM   #4697
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My understanding is that she can't lock him out of the house but she can force him to stfu in the house.

Both senate/house have to pass a resolution for him to be able to give the speech in at least the house chamber (idk if it's both or not) in the first place.

Trump wins on this either way in his mind--either Trump gets to walk over Pelosi or he gets a petty fight with her and he wants both of those things.
I'm no Scalia, but the text of the constitution says,

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He (POTUS) shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union...
So it must be given in front of the Congress, he can't do a MAGA rally in Sweethick, Mississippi and call it the State of the Union.

However, the same section 3 of the constitution does say,

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he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them with Respect to the Time Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper...
So while he can't have a MAGA rally, he can tell both houses that they must convene in a joint session and give the speech then. The interesting part will be how he hand waves extraordinary occasions. Also, reading the constitution makes me realize the founding father's were just as random at capitalization as Trump is.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:25 PM   #4698
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Today, I am officially recognizing the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, as the Interim President of the United States of America. In its role as the only legitimate branch of government duly elected by the American people, the House of Representatives invoked the country’s constitution to declare Donald Trump illegitimate, and the office of the presidency therefore vacant. The people of the United States have courageously spoken out against Trump and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:27 PM   #4699
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Do it right now and we'll see you next Tuesday!"
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:28 PM   #4700
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The treatment of people like Spicer in the media is one of the most frustrating aspects of our society to me. He did literally nothing but stand there and spout ridiculous lies. Why should anyone care what he has to say about anything?
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