The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 175 - Politics and Economics

cuserounder · 01-21-2019, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Trump saying that "Amnesty will only be used for a much bigger deal" is an intolerable admission that should be jumped on.

This is a great point by David. It's about as close as you'll get to an outright admission that he's taking hostages for negotiating power.

John21 · 01-21-2019, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

I'm pretty bearish on the Chinese economic future, at least as far as taking over the world is concerned, but they are and will remain a long way from the days when their GDP per capita was $300.

And by "overall good" I mean humans generally. On some time scales it may not be clear what the environmental impact is, but in the long run I think China and India progressing as rapidly as possible towards a wealthier modern technologically advanced state will be good. The alternative is not them remaining in the pre-industrial age for a long time, but prolonging the worst of the industrial revolution along with population growth.

Even if you mean US 'Muricans only by "overall good" it's still probably for the overall good. Only if you mean a limited sub-set of 'Muricans is it maybe not for the "overall good" and a value system that places a modest negative impact on a small group of people still more than an order of magnitude richer than average over the lives of more than a billion people is awful.

Unless the race for tech supremacy or A.I. is seen as the modern equivalent of the race for the a-bomb.

markksman · 01-21-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by John21

Unless the race for tech supremacy or A.I. is seen as the modern equivalent of the race for the a-bomb.

You mean where a dozen countries all have the technology?

Clovis8 · 01-21-2019, 08:51 PM

I can’t remember much from Giuliani as mayor days. Was he totally incompetent? I know he was big into the sham broken windows theory of crime control.

As a lawyer, he seems bottom 2%.

ChrisV · 01-21-2019, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

I can’t remember much from Giuliani as mayor days. Was he totally incompetent? I know he was big into the sham broken windows theory of crime control.

As a lawyer, he seems bottom 2%.

Broken Windows aside, he's generally considered to have done a pretty good job. There were successes against organized crime, he inherited a large budget deficit and balanced the budget.

If you want your mind blown, and to be convinced that what you see of him now is a result of him losing his marbles, check out Wiki on his beliefs on immigration circa the 1990s:

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As Mayor of New York City, Giuliani encouraged hardworking illegal immigrants to move to New York City. He said in 1994:

"Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city are undocumented aliens. If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city. You're somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair."

In a Minneapolis speech two years later he defended his policy: "There are times when undocumented immigrants must have a substantial degree of protection." In 2000, Giuliani said of New York City, "Immigration is a very positive force for the City of New York. Immigration is the key to the city's success. Both historically and to this very day."

Giuliani also expressed doubt that the federal government can completely stop illegal immigration. Giuliani said that the Immigration and Naturalization Service "do nothing with those names but terrorize people." In 1996 he said that the new anti-illegal immigration law, as well as the Welfare Reform Act, were "inherently unfair." In 1996, Giuliani said, "I believe the anti-immigration movement in America is one of our most serious public problems." In the same year he said, "We're never, ever going to be able to totally control immigration in a country that is as large as ours." He went on to say, "If you were to totally control immigration into the United States, you might very well destroy the economy of the United States, because you'd have to inspect everything and everyone in every way possible."

Now he's shilling for Donald ****ing Trump to Build That Wall. It's incredible.

microbet · 01-21-2019, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John21

Unless the race for tech supremacy or A.I. is seen as the modern equivalent of the race for the a-bomb.

What's this got to do with offshoring manufacturing jobs? You think China was just going to jump straight from $300/year gdp per capita agrarian peasant country to leading the world in cutting edge technological research?

And if the owners of AI end up owning everything, most of use will probably be just as out of luck as anyone in China.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Broken Windows aside, he's generally considered to have done a pretty good job. There were successes against organized crime, he inherited a large budget deficit and balanced the budget.

At this point you really have to wonder if he was working for another crime family and prosecuting the competition.

markksman · 01-21-2019, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

I can’t remember much from Giuliani as mayor days. Was he totally incompetent? I know he was big into the sham broken windows theory of crime control.

As a lawyer, he seems bottom 2%.

He effed up time square.

uDevil · 01-21-2019, 09:58 PM

In the same way that Trump is taking credit for work that Obama did, Giuliani took credit for improvements that began under his predecessor.

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Under the Dinkins administration, crime in New York City decreased more dramatically and more rapidly than at any time in previous New York City history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dinkins

realDonaldTrump · 01-21-2019, 10:47 PM

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ligastar · 01-21-2019, 10:50 PM

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John21 · 01-21-2019, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

What's this got to do with offshoring manufacturing jobs? You think China was just going to jump straight from $300/year gdp per capita agrarian peasant country to leading the world in cutting edge technological research?

Not without acquiring foreign companies, technology transfers and espionage.

will1530 · 01-21-2019, 10:54 PM

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Ban for bringing up forbidden topics.

Grue · 01-21-2019, 10:56 PM

Exit liiiiiiiiight

fatkid · 01-21-2019, 11:38 PM

****ing bot sucks.

fatkid · 01-21-2019, 11:40 PM

****ing bot sucks. Breakin’ the new forum laws. **** the bot.

ScreaminAsian · 01-21-2019, 11:44 PM

i was thinking about creating a list of all the times the president breaks the politics forum rules but honestly it seems like it would take up a lot of time

ScreaminAsian · 01-21-2019, 11:45 PM

it is over .5 that that ****in kid is getting invited to the oval office for a photo where they're both making that face

**whosnext** · 01-21-2019, 11:58 PM

... and do the tomahawk chop and chant "Build The Wall"

ScreaminAsian · 01-22-2019, 12:03 AM

... at a cardboard cutout of elizabeth warren! dude we could be making money with these ideas. pop that image in a mass email asking for $20.20 and we're on our way to easy street

jmakin · 01-22-2019, 12:18 AM

a lot of grumbling in the local community starting. Looks like a ton of people who relied on property tax writeoffs in an area where homes are overvalued in crappy areas by about 40% are starting to feel the effects of the tax code changes. A lot of mortgage companies I guess sold people on these loans they could barely afford if not for the tax writeoff and now people are hurting.

Tbh it makes total sense to me why people in my area totally reversed on trump out of nowhere (district 48). Most of these homes are way overvalued, and in some areas that are really middle class-ish. They're seeing their property values plummeting (like 20% right now) and are taking a huge tax hit on top of it.

A vocal trumpy coworker of mine who is a self-styled landlord has been yammering for months about the tax changes and totally reversed his tune recently and seems to have soured on trump but he's too proud to admit it. I know he's gotta be feeling it. All I have to do is bring up the tax code changes now and he goes completely silent and changes the subject (the type of guy that can bring any conversation back to politics).

I'm getting a really perverse pleasure out of it.

m_reed05 · 01-22-2019, 12:20 AM

The right up in arms over the media on the day that one of their Mt Rushmore tv shows(fox and friends) "accidentally" reported Ruth Bader Ginsburg as dead. Another day in trump hell.

Johnny Truant · 01-22-2019, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

it is over .5 that that ****in kid is getting invited to the oval office for a photo where they're both making that face

For the record I predicted it days ago in one of the ethered threads. I bet Trump buys him ten hundred thousand hamburgies with his very own money, too.

lol_at_you · 01-22-2019, 12:53 AM

* handberders

cuserounder · 01-22-2019, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

i was thinking about creating a list of all the times the president breaks the politics forum rules but honestly it seems like it would take up a lot of time

Don't we have a new moderation tracking thread for that? Jman, I'm really looking forward to seeing how many infraction points you give POTUS. Don't let us down, now... rules are rules!

cuserounder · 01-22-2019, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant

For the record I predicted it days ago in one of the ethered threads. I bet Trump buys him ten hundred thousand hamburgies with his very own money, too.

But this time it won't be Burger King, McDonalds or Wendy's...

Spoiler:

White Castle, obviously.