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I'm still not sure what Mueller is claiming is wrong about the report. The response was legalese carefully worded. Trump fans ofc are all THE ENTIRE THING IS WRONG AND EVERYTHING THEY"VE SAID IN THEIR LIVES IS WRONG. Compare that with oh say a pathological liar who lies about every god damn thing ever even when it doesn't matter.

Still Buzzfeed broke the dossier, NYT/CNN/FOX/etc were all NOTHING TO SEE HERE, Buzzfeed broke the moscow story (that one they're not even bothering to defend).

My guess is Trump basically said it but in the way a mafia guy says it so it's not direct enough to actually get convicted of it which is why Mueller felt to immediately come out, otherwise there were gonna be a bunch of house investigations getting in the way.

This ofc requires some trust in Mueller and he's a career republican who's great friends with other career republicans like Barr about to be AG so yeah...

If the Buzzfeed report isn't true, they've still done more work on this than everybody else has basically combined. Journalism is sad.

01-20-2019 , 09:36 PM

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sentiment echoed by bellagio 20-40 regs

01-20-2019 , 09:41 PM

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People who think that Mueller is playing 4d chess and the buzzfeed report actually is true are seriously wishcasting here. Buzzfeed ****ed up, it’s time to move on.

I think either the truth is somewhere in the middle or Buzzfeed got seriously burned by their sources. For them to continue to stand by their reporting at this point is just so stupid and self-destructive if they don't have a very good reason to do so.

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I'm still not sure what Mueller is claiming is wrong about the report.

The WaPo story went into detail on this - it is also anonymously sourced, but it seems like their sources are the Mueller team, and the WaPo story basically says the reason the Mueller team went on the record to dispute it is because Michael Cohen did not tell them Donald Trump directed him to lie:

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When BuzzFeed published the story hours later, it far exceeded Carr’s initial impression, people familiar with the matter said, in that the reporting alleged that Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and self-described fixer, “told the special counsel that after the election, the president personally instructed him to lie,” and that Mueller’s office learned of the directive “through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”

In the view of the special counsel’s office, that was wrong, two people familiar with the matter said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

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People familiar with the matter said Carr told others in the government that he would have more vigorously discouraged the reporters from proceeding with the story had he known it would allege Cohen had told the special counsel Trump directed him to lie — or that the special counsel was said to have learned this through interviews with Trump Organization witnesses, as well as internal company emails and text messages.

Second bolded is basically the most explosive claim in the Buzzfeed story, and the special counsel's office is saying "no, that didn't happen". Mueller burning Buzzfeed for the sake of keeping up some strategic facade of "oh no, don't worry Trump, no bombshells about to drop on you from this direction" seems extremely unlikely.

01-20-2019 , 09:41 PM

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That's no surprise.

01-20-2019 , 09:42 PM

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People who think that Mueller is playing 4d chess and the buzzfeed report actually is true are seriously wishcasting here. Buzzfeed ****ed up, it’s time to move on.

Mueller is the least likely person on earth to be playing 4d chess.

01-20-2019 , 09:45 PM

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James Woods might be mentally ill.

01-20-2019 , 09:51 PM

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James ****ing Woods - what an arse.

01-20-2019 , 09:55 PM

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He should go back to picking up candy off the floor.

01-20-2019 , 10:05 PM

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People who think that Mueller is playing 4d chess and the buzzfeed report actually is true are seriously wishcasting here. Buzzfeed ****ed up, it’s time to move on.

Sadly, I think you are probably right but man does it seem like the worst play for buzzfeed to be still claiming accuracy at this point.

01-20-2019 , 10:07 PM

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James ****ing Woods - what an arse.

I’m so conflicted by him. I absolutely love him as an actor but as a human he is clearly a hideous toxic wasteland.

01-20-2019 , 10:08 PM

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Mueller is the least likely person on earth to be playing 4d chess.

Right. Mueller is playing checkers, with 6 Kings while Trump runs around the board with on piece.

01-20-2019 , 10:23 PM

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Yeah, this. It's going to be something like: whatever Trump said to Cohen, the special counsel's office does not think that it rose to the level of "instructing him to lie" or whatever the legal requirement for suborning perjury is, but BuzzFeed are comfortable with saying that it was instructing him to lie.

01-20-2019 , 10:24 PM

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https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/st...15690069446656

01-20-2019 , 10:29 PM

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How long until people start saying MLK was white?

01-20-2019 , 10:29 PM

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Like if Trump said "don't tell them we're still discussing the tower" is that instructing him to lie? Legally perhaps not? He can always claim he meant "well unless they ask, obviously, I mean you can't perjure yourself, I just meant don't bring it up". Instructing him to lie would be "tell them we concluded the tower discussions". BuzzFeed might characterise either as instruction to lie though. IANAL and have no idea if that makes sense legally, it's just an example of the sort of thing that might be going on.

01-20-2019 , 10:45 PM

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Sadly, this dovetails nicely with this CNN article:

A new Supreme Court is poised to take a chunk out of MLK's legacy

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That's the dreaded future some experts envision for these landmark laws now that Justice Brett Kavanaugh has joined the Supreme Court. They warn that, for the first time, the high court has five firmly conservative judges who were groomed to dismantle the legal legacy of these laws, which have stood for 50 years.

"They will chip, chip away at these laws until there is nothing left," says Carol Anderson, author of "One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression Is Destroying Our Democracy."

"I could see the court tilting further and further to the right until we end up with a dystopian society."

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Roberts' rhetoric offered a sneak preview of how the court will go after other civil rights laws, some say: Gut them while celebrating their importance. CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin described Roberts' reasoning this way: "Declare victory in the nation's fight against racial discrimination and then to disable the weapons with which that struggle was won."

https://us.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/mlk...urt/index.html

01-20-2019 , 11:43 PM

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01-21-2019 , 12:01 AM

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James Woods is far worse than that, he's an alt right conspiracy pusher who tries to date teenagers, he's 71. Seems to work for him though, guess it only takes a few in the numbers game.

I think some of it is him simply pushing it to keep his name known to people but yeah he probably believes a lot of it too. People like that get really weird with stuff like that, they troll but sometimes they really do believe it, or it started out as a troll and their brain got twisted to believe it later on.

Also thank you goofy.

01-21-2019 , 12:08 AM

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01-21-2019 , 12:36 AM

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Schilling talks often about lynching journalists and fake news. What a shocker stump would be in his corner.

01-21-2019 , 12:46 AM

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Democrats cannot make any offer that involves funding the wall.

The wall itself isn’t that important. It’s the hatred it embodies that’s important.

01-21-2019 , 12:52 AM

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Democrats cannot make any offer that involves funding the wall.

The wall itself isn’t that important. It’s the hatred it embodies that’s important.

That, and the government can't be held hostage over an issue that needs to be taken up in Congress via a major bill.

01-21-2019 , 01:03 AM

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01-21-2019 , 01:38 AM

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he's so mad about martin luther king day that he can't sleep

01-21-2019 , 01:54 AM

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Right. Mueller is playing checkers, with 6 Kings while Trump runs around the board with on piece.

The Marion Tinsley of law and order.

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