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Old 01-20-2019, 10:17 AM   #4201
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damn he must have had chili last night or something, long ****ter tweet session this morning
Still eating his way through the massive pile of leftover hamderders from last week.
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:21 AM   #4202
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:23 AM   #4203
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So WTF is the shutdown about?
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:24 AM   #4204
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Trump really is the king of missing the kick by 25 yards and simply moving the goal post and declaring victory. His supporters simply pretend they didn’t see the move.
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:24 AM   #4205
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:29 AM   #4206
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I’d say especially when the money isn’t available, seems to be his trademark
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:34 AM   #4207
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:53 AM   #4208
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I have multiple friends attempting to attain citizenship legally who have been affected by trump's... ******edness. none of them are mexican btw. the border wall is just another red herring
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:27 AM   #4209
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Shocking-Belarus chick that says she had Kompromat got sent to Russia and now says she will say nothing.

https://news.yahoo.com/model-apologi...l&uh_test=1_02
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:49 AM   #4210
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:41 PM   #4211
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LOL @ Rudy talking about how Michael Cohen would lie to congress or whoever to save his skin. Why doesn't Jake ask that same question to Rudy? He goes on TV and lies his ass off to save Trump's skin.
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:45 PM   #4212
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Doesn’t Trump have to pay him to form an attorney client relationship tho?
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:48 PM   #4213
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Doesn’t Trump have to pay him to form an attorney client relationship tho?
Trump should argue that simply allowing Giuliani to associate himself with the quality and reputableness of the Trump brand amounts to consideration.
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:52 PM   #4214
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Not sure if serious, but no.
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:52 PM   #4215
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Hi everyone, I've waited for my mind to cool down to make a post since the forum guidelines 'adjustement' so here are some thoughts:

My initial reaction was sadness and anger to see this forum go or being altered to give a safe space to some politically oriented posters that get trashed on a daily basis by the hive here.
Then I thought how to get the best out of it,or not just leave the forum cause we don't negotiate on this.

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To start, Trump claims to use a zero-sum strategy in which he wins and the other side loses. The win-lose equation is considered out of date, ineffective and generally counterproductive among those who study negotiation.
This made me think of what awval said,this is their view of the society and the concept of greater good,that you also benefit from others well being,seems non existent to them.

To solve this problem I think there are 3 main solutions:
1-Ignore them.
unfortunately avoiding reality and ignoring them isn't reliable long term,as you can ignore them but they will not ignore you for long.
2-Domination.
Either psychological or physical.
Problem again is you won't make a friend out of someone you forced to change, containment can only go so far.
3-Education.
Most of these views come from a poor understanding of the world mechanics and teaching people how it can be better is the best way to change mentalities.

Obviously this is simplified, I'm not kant but you get the idea.
I feel the cycle of 1 and 2 is obsolete in this century and if you really want to change the world you need to change how people think.
Now the question is can all people be brought out to reason?

As an illustration of what I imagined, I think the opposition should not focus on the impeachement chase but on education people about why the Trump's views are wrong and bad for everyone.
That is the longterm goal.
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Old 01-20-2019, 02:09 PM   #4216
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So he's going to get more money from the Russians to help him build **** he can't afford to build?
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Old 01-20-2019, 02:17 PM   #4217
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Old 01-20-2019, 02:34 PM   #4219
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Vice president pence isn't even giving trump credit for progress with north korea
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Old 01-20-2019, 02:39 PM   #4220
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"Republicans," as in GOP congresscritters, may not as a whole consider the wall important (note: it is certain that some of them do, but it is obvious that the Senate and House GOP leadership does not). But Trump considers it vitally important, so he might offer them something valuable, and the Dems should ask and accept. Fracturing the GOP base is a win.
Dems have mate in 3 moves. Any play that isn't "open the government and we'll talk" is a blunder. Ok sure, maybe he agrees to something on live TV exactly like a year ago and then they get egg on their face and some infighting, but it also opens a potential escape door. Once they abandon "no deals with hostage takers" they can't credibly go back to that square on the board, and everyone will forget about the hostages when the (failed) negotiation details soak up the media coverage. It doesn't capture much material, but it's a guaranteed checkmate. And we know this because he's incapable of resigning a losing position; he'll play a series of increasingly-reckless moves chasing a win.
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Old 01-20-2019, 02:45 PM   #4221
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Some people call that 4D chess btw.
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:04 PM   #4222
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The man who stood behind Trump
He had been standing behind Trump along with his friend Kenny, both wearing suits, Joe in a crisp white shirt and blue tie. They were having the time of their lives, cheering the president and feeling patriotic. As Joe put it, they were all “geehawing,” an old Southernism that meant they were aligned. Then Trump went on a tear about the Supreme Court confirmation hearing of Brett M. Kavanaugh, and the testimony of Christine Blasey Ford, who had accused him of sexually assaulting her in high school. Trump started mocking her spotty memory, repeating “I don’t remember!” and “I don’t know!” over and over as people in the crowd began laughing and clapping, and Joe had joined in. He clapped and laughed and elbowed Kenny, who laughed too, and soon a video clip of the two of them was flying around the Internet. By the time Joe got back to Cleveland, friends were forwarding him angry online comments from all over the country.

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He tried to brush it off, but the messages kept coming. When he turned on the television, there was his laughing face on the news. When he went for a beer, a friend came over and said, “Hey, you famous?” and others stopped to shake his hand. Joe posted a message on Facebook.

“Well, it’s been a whirlwind since Kenny and I attended President Trumps rally in Southhaven.. We have been blasted by the left on social media, called everything in the book by people who don’t even know us…. I was in NO WAY making fun or trying to be insensitive to Dr Fords plight… I really believe she went through a terrible time and something did happen, but not by Judge Kavanaugh… We live in the greatest country in world and I am super proud to be able to do so!! God Bless America”

...

It wasn’t just the angry reaction to the laughing that unsettled him, it was all the anger coming toward Trump, and by extension, Joe felt, him. If Trump was insensitive, he said, it meant Joe must be. If Trump was racist, it followed that Joe might be.

...

Four hours later, feeling buoyed after hearing the president describe him and the rest of the crowd as “the men and women that make America truly great” and “hard-working patriotic Americans” with “big hearts,” Joe began the trip home.

“Loved it,” he said, pulling out of VIP parking. “Thought it was great.”

Everything Trump had talked about, he said, he loved. The border wall and making America “respected again.” Low unemployment numbers and a booming economy, which rang true to Joe, who was seeing his trust-fund check rise and new restaurants and hotels go up around Cleveland, including one affiliated with the Trump Organization. And when Trump had joked about looking like a blond Elvis when he was younger, Joe loved that too.

“I mean, how do you not agree with what he’s doing?” Joe said.

He knew Trump said crass things at times. But he also thought people judged the president too harshly, just like Joe thought people had judged him too harshly for laughing. He could see how people could disagree with Trump, but he didn’t see why people thought Trump was such a bad person — just as he didn’t see how standing behind Trump made him a bad person. Joe Davidson: immoral person, selfish privileged person, racist person, insensitive person who would laugh at sexual assault. It wasn’t at all how he saw himself.

“No how. No. Not never,” he said. “That’s a person with no heart.”

...

And some other things. Like how he’d made a silent promise to himself when he inherited his trust fund that he wouldn’t act like some rich jerk, but that he would be a good person according to all the rules he’d been taught about what that meant in a place such as Cleveland. He opened doors for the elderly. He tipped well. He said, “Love you, appreciate you!” to the lunch waitresses at the Senator’s Place.

“I’m a softy,” he said. “I care. It’s just the way I was raised.”

...

Of all the assumptions he figured people made about him, the notion that he might be racist was the one that bothered him the most.

...

He didn’t remember seeing segregated bathrooms or water fountains in the Delta — “I just don’t remember that,” he said. He did not remember hearing about any racial violence, not even about Emmett Till, who was murdered in 1955 in the town of Money, about 50 miles from where Joe grew up. “Never,” he said. “And we spent a lot of time in Grenada, right off Money.”

He did not remember the Delta being a place of hate, not toward anyone, including him.

“Never felt any of that animosity, never,” Joe said.

He sped along in the dark through a place where civil rights workers were murdered and African Americans were routinely lynched in the name of maintaining white power in Mississippi. Joe had been spared hearing such stories growing up, and as an adult, it was nothing he wanted to dwell on.

“If I’m in my space, and there are no problems, why am I going to go looking for a problem?” Joe said.

...

Willie, who was 60, recalled other things about his life growing up in Cleveland: that he and other young black men would never walk anywhere alone, that they would always bring a stick or a bat to the movies or wherever they went in case they had to defend themselves against whites, and that even now there was a lingering sense of danger. Not that he and Joe had talked about any of that, he said.

“He’s never going to see nothing my way and I’m never going to see things his way. But we’re going to remain friends,” Willie said, remembering what Joe told him every time he teased him about Trump.

“Willie, that’s fake news!” Joe would say without getting into it further. He did not see how anyone could think Trump was so awful.

“Is there something I’m missing?” he said now.
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:10 PM   #4223
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:11 PM   #4224
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White man - Nobody is treating me worse for being black so I really dont think it’s actually happening.
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