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Old 01-20-2019, 01:00 AM   #4176
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Trump doesn't consider the wall valuable--the media he listens to and as such his voters want it mostly because they've been told they want it and dems do not, therefore it has to be good. So here we are.

The poll numbers eventually go back when the shutdown ends after a few months (538 looked at it, it's not a new thing for us to have massively short attention spans) and the election isn't for a long ass time.
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:57 AM   #4177
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Exactly How Bad Is Trump At Making Deals? Even Worse Than You Think.
“The way he negotiates directly challenges what is almost a half-century of tools and principles and methods that have emerged in the field,” said Joel Cutcher-Gershenfeld, a professor in the Heller School for Social Policy and Management at Brandeis University, who is the editor of the Journal.

To start, Trump claims to use a zero-sum strategy in which he wins and the other side loses. The win-lose equation is considered out of date, ineffective and generally counterproductive among those who study negotiation.

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“Trump doesn’t understand the basic principle: To get what you want, you have to give other people what they want,” said Menkel-Meadow, who was at Georgetown Law during the Clinton-era shutdown and trained negotiators at the Department of Justice.

A solid deal-maker also doesn’t make an enemy out of his counterparty. Ideally in politics or diplomacy, he’s built up some goodwill with them. Trump, on the other hand, demonizes and belittles his political opponents (and sometimes his allies).

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“What we’re seeing here is the cost of not building a relationship with the Democrats and their leaders, and now when it’s absolutely essential because they’re more powerful and he needs their votes, he’s incapable of doing it,” said Thomas Kochan, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Sloan School of Management, who wrote about Trump’s effect on business negotiations. “They don’t trust him; he doesn’t trust them.”

Lack of trust is the third critical piece of the failed Trump strategy. Negotiation experts concede that a hard-driving win-lose strategy sometimes can work. But not without trust.

Former President Lyndon Johnson, for example, was known for his hard-driving, persistent, negotiation tactics. And, of course, Johnson was able to push through civil rights legislation at a time when his own party was dominated by segregationists. This was a case of someone staking out a position and forcing everyone to his side.

But one of the key ways Johnson differed from Trump, Cutcher-Gershenfeld pointed out, is trust. “His word was his bond,” he said.

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The zero-sum strategy and willingness to walk away from the deal may also have been better suited to one-off real-estate transactions. Politics is different. “In negotiations with Congress, when you walk away there isn’t another Congress to walk to,” he said.
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Old 01-20-2019, 07:38 AM   #4178
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LBJ only passed civil rights legislation because of earmarks and no Hastert rule, but the broader point holds. He was a master at counting votes and also knowing exactly what people wanted in order to get them to do what he wanted.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:40 AM   #4179
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:55 AM   #4180
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Trump doesn't consider the wall valuable--the media he listens to and as such his voters want it mostly because they've been told they want it and dems do not, therefore it has to be good. So here we are.

The poll numbers eventually go back when the shutdown ends after a few months (538 looked at it, it's not a new thing for us to have massively short attention spans) and the election isn't for a long ass time.

Trump has definitely peeled off support and a good amount of those people are never coming back. I expect his numbers to fluctuate but would be shocked if he isnít permanently at least 10 points underwater with his approval. Heís been exposed a fraud and a petulant child with no ability to govern; people will forget specific events but he can no longer hide who he really is. The scary part of course is that heís drawing to some sort of major disaster and looking presidential for a few minutes...
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:00 AM   #4181
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:05 AM   #4182
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:08 AM   #4183
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(Dying of cholera 25 years from now) At least it's not snowing, right, folks? SILVER LININGS!
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:12 AM   #4184
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:15 AM   #4185
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if only some poor parts of the US could get hit by a hurricane, then donald trump could withhold federal aid and be implicit in the murder of thousands.


oh, that happened already? lmao the us is a god damn **** show, hope you guys are enjoying what you voted for
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:17 AM   #4186
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Ah yes, the first major cold spell of what has already been an abnormally warm winter bringing out all the GOP "lol global warming" takes right on queue.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:24 AM   #4187
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:26 AM   #4188
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Uhh there already is a big push? That's the whole point of unleashing ICE. I guess he means even more gestopo tactics if he doesn't get a wall.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:27 AM   #4189
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Nice of him to let his baying hogs know that opposition to amnesty will be straight in the dumpster if Pelosi buys him enough Filet O Fish.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:34 AM   #4190
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:38 AM   #4192
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Did Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity tell him to write this? The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:40 AM   #4193
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Nancy is owning him, and it's pretty great. He shook.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:43 AM   #4194
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Almost zero chance this entire shutdown ordeal doesn't end in a win for Trump. He's owned Dems since he announced he was running, why stop now?
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:47 AM   #4195
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Should've added that houses also have walls that protect you from the elements...and illegals.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:52 AM   #4196
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Did Grandpa think he was texting?
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:59 AM   #4198
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Likewise there will be no big push to remove the 11,000,000 plus people who are here illegally-but be careful Nancy!

More terror from Terror Trump. Do what I want or I’ll hurt 11 million people.
 
Old 01-20-2019, 10:04 AM   #4199
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:06 AM   #4200
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damn he must have had chili last night or something, long ****ter tweet session this morning
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