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Old 01-19-2019, 07:37 PM   #4126
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re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

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You should seriously be exiled from the Politics forums. You don't post in good faith. You don't discuss politics. You're little spiking the football with "We took back our country!" was just a sign that you have no real political stances other than "owning libs". You're basically trolling whether or not you realize you're trolling.
We are discussing the the 4pm Trump offer which is the current political event. I'm not sure I understand. But I am posting in good faith.

The current Trump offer is not enough for the Dems to agree to.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:39 PM   #4127
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remember when rep and the rest got super salty at even the prospect of discussing daca for some wall funding bc "there is no chance it would ever happen."

and yet...what is it? life comes at you fast?

ofc, it was pretty dumb consider it impossible when such a discussion had already happened before.
1) i said M4A <-> wall would never happen
2) i also said trump would never honor any promises/commitments
3) i said DACA <-> wall was stupid
4) nancy told him to go **** himself, sooooooooo


yea, you didn't win here
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:40 PM   #4128
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We need true bipartisan support. Time to reach across the isle and work together. We will not be controlled by the radical left enemy of the state dems and Nancy Pelosi.
Yeah, that was rich.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:40 PM   #4129
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I am engaging.

Not enough to agree to the wall.

Dems must re-raise.
OK, newly engaging rep of a particular demographic: considering the Republicans were wiped out in the midterms, isn't the appropriate Dem response: "Re-open the Gov, then we'll talk"?
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:49 PM   #4130
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OK, newly engaging rep of a particular demographic: considering the Republicans were wiped out in the midterms, isn't the appropriate Dem response: "Re-open the Gov, then we'll talk"?
The Dems certainly have the higher ground here.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:49 PM   #4131
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yep this.


Itís not a permanent DACA solution

Itís a Lucy football situation.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:51 PM   #4132
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I am engaging.



Not enough to agree to the wall.



Dems must re-raise.


Or they can not negotiate with a hostage taker
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:53 PM   #4133
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Itís not a permanent DACA solution

Itís a Lucy football situation.



Letís just take a moment to appreciate you and awful are on the same team today.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:57 PM   #4134
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Yo wasn't DACA just fine until Trump took it away?

So he shuts down the govt until Dems fund his wall, then his big concession for wall funding is a promise to undo what he ****ed up?

If so anything but "**** off lol" legitimizes taking govt hostage AND ****ing **** up only to promise to un-**** it up in exchange for X.

Dems doing remarkably well so far, but the deeper we get into this the bigger the stakes are. Gotta stay strong.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:07 PM   #4135
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Getting some sort of major concession in exchange for like $2Bn seems fine, but this offer is super weak. No deal.

This was basically just a stunt to make it look like Trump's trying to compromise to the viewers at home. It's not a bad play.
Definitely. Also, this whole episode along with Russia stuff (and fewer football games) seems to have engaged more of the populace, who see Trump is flailing. I think they should hold out past the SOTU. Trump is a terrible communicator to anyone but his base.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:09 PM   #4136
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Hello Awval,

Just dropped in here to say that no amount of me banning people who direct coarse words or personal attacks at you will change the fact that you support a man who puts children into cages and separates families as a deterrent policy because it has improved your personal finances, and as a fellow human being you might want to reflect further on that.

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Old 01-19-2019, 08:10 PM   #4137
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Nothing but a clean resolution should be passed

Period
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:12 PM   #4138
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longer this goes on the worse it is for drumpf, all problems ultimately get blamed on the president/prime minister/leader. everything else is detail which no-one other than political obsessives like us give a **** about

reckon this is why leaders everywhere always bleed approval rating as time goes by

dems hold all the cards
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:16 PM   #4139
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seems like trump is about to cave
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:20 PM   #4140
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seems like trump is about to cave

What makes you think that?
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:32 PM   #4141
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What makes you think that?
He's already negotiating.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:32 PM   #4142
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The Dems are dumb if they don't try to go for the GOP's throat here. Nothing matters more to Trump than his wall.

Do you think he really cares about citizenship vs. path to citizenship vs. amnesty for DACA kids? Ask for the sun, moon and the stars. All he cares about is his ****ing wall. And I don't know if the GOP senators are going to be able to stare down a House passed bill with Wall funding if @realdonaldtrump tweets "THE WALL IS FUNDED. PASS THIS BILL. SENATE GOP MUST VOTE YES."
I actually agree with this 100%.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:46 PM   #4143
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1) i said M4A <-> wall would never happen
2) i also said trump would never honor any promises/commitments
3) i said DACA <-> wall was stupid
4) nancy told him to go **** himself, sooooooooo


yea, you didn't win here
it was a worthwhile discussion. as evidenced by the fact that it is being discussed in the national media right now.

see this is like going into sporting events and saying no reason to discuss the patriots vs the chiefs. everyone nows the pats will win. and then, before the game is even played, claiming victory again.

this is why you are the worst poster here.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:48 PM   #4144
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Itís not a permanent DACA solution

Itís a Lucy football situation.
this is whats called a strawman.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:48 PM   #4145
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He's already negotiating.

Offering to give back what heís tried to take away the day after Supreme Court declines to hear the case that is blocking him from taking it away is not negotiating

Heís simply trying to change the narrative and move public opinion the other way

All while holding the country hostage
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:51 PM   #4146
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it was a worthwhile discussion. as evidenced by the fact that it is being discussed in the national media right now.



see this is like going into sporting events and saying no reason to discuss the patriots vs the chiefs. everyone nows the pats will win. and then, before the game is even played, claiming victory again.



this is why you are the worst poster here.

It is NOT a worthwhile discussion and has a chance to lead to dems caving if lolpublicís opinion changes
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:52 PM   #4147
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There would be a legit chance of Nancy getting single payer healthcare for the wall if not for Mitch. But she should still get him to agree to it.
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longer this goes on the worse it is for drumpf, all problems ultimately get blamed on the president/prime minister/leader. everything else is detail which no-one other than political obsessives like us give a **** about

reckon this is why leaders everywhere always bleed approval rating as time goes by

dems hold all the cards
right dems should be able to get DACA citizenship for 5b and they are awful if they dont get at least that.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:54 PM   #4149
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right dems should be able to get DACA citizenship for 5b and they are awful if they dont get at least that.

In no world do they get that

The same people who forced trump to shut down the government are angry at a 3 year pause...they will NEVER be ok with citizenship or even legal status for 5.7B

These people are racist pieces of **** that donít want non-whites in this country
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:19 PM   #4150
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This sings to my demographic heart, but it also suggests that people are very reluctant to update their views given new information (and/or that they are very effective at avoiding new information).

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