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Old 01-19-2019, 02:57 PM   #4026
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That's called a budget isn't it?
Usually. A CR is just an agreement (when you have no budget) to continue funding at the previous level for a set period of time. Pretty sure that the amount of time can be any length that the parties agree on.

I also think that even if you have a CR, you can pass a budget that supersedes it.
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:05 PM   #4027
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Is it though? Trump literally broke DACA to begin with (even though he campaigned on not doing it) and ended TPS. It’s just different hostages he’s taken to get what he wants.
That’s the point. DACA as it stands now will always be subject to federal or judicial whims. It was only written because congress stalled out on the issue. If you get a legislative solution it’s permanent and you can try to expand it (either cover more people or give more benefits) that is what Dems really have wanted from the beginning. To say that’s not worth an extra 20% if what has already been spent on creating a fence at the border doesn’t make much sense.

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Old 01-19-2019, 03:07 PM   #4028
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Now if he literally offered citizenship for the DACA kids in exchange for 5.7 billion for his lolwall, then sure, Iíd snap call that. But that will never happen.
I'm not even snap calling that. I'd make a return offer of a mass pardon for all people in the country illegally, a 5 year green card for for everyone pardoned, and guaranteed citizenship after 5 years for those who do not commit a violent crime in that time.
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:09 PM   #4029
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:12 PM   #4030
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Here's how Congress should be run. It shouldn't be up to the leadership to have to pick and choose which bills to bring up for a full vote.

Any member of the body, once they introduce a bill, it automatically goes for a full vote. But the difference is that you don't have to schedule specific voting times and debate times. Any member can vote for any bill at any time during the two year congressional period. So the votes are tallied up as they come in, which may take as little as a few minutes or hours, or as long as months or until the congress ends. Once a bill hits a majority of votes, it is considered passed. Additional members may vote for or against it after that point but those votes are irrelevant (kind of like how it took decades for some states to ratify constitutional amendments after they had long been in effect).

I don't think for most issues it would be very different and the rank and file members will probably continue to vote as leadership wishes, but for things where most of the members agree on something but the leadership does not, it would allow passage. It also seems like they waste a lot of time because they can only do 1 bill at a time, so if you allow an unlimited number of bills to be introduced and voted on at once it will make things run more efficiently.

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Old 01-19-2019, 03:25 PM   #4031
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This is why I hate politics

Trump breaks DACA

Then he holds government hostage

Then he offers to unbreak DACA for a few years in exchange for his wall

And now after his speech today his approval will go up and the dems will start to shoulder more of the blame if they rightly tell him to go **** himself because half the country doesnít understand the above and will think dems are just being obstructionists
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:31 PM   #4032
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I mean heís freerolling here...he can try as many times as he wants to frame it differently until the public starts to blame dems as much as him and then the dems will instantly cave when that happens

So unless the public continues to blame trump until he has to reopen the government, eventually the dems will cave
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:32 PM   #4033
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He needs another McCainthumb.gif
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:36 PM   #4034
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I mean heís freerolling here...he can try as many times as he wants to frame it differently until the public starts to blame dems as much as him and then the dems will instantly cave when that happens

So unless the public continues to blame trump until he has to reopen the government, eventually the dems will cave
Right. Itís a completely disingenuous offer to try to change the narrative, so dems should offer something just as disingenuous and call it negotiation. Trump and his battalion of baffoons will not be able to come up with a coherent response for weeks. At which point tsa call outs will probably climb to critical levels and Mitch will have no choice but to pass a clean CR.
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:40 PM   #4035
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Trump doesn’t give a **** about the DACA kids. He’s literally just saying things to see what happens.

He just likes feeling powerful. I bet he was delighted to have an excuse to ground Pelosi.

To him, the suffering of millions of Republican federal workers and their families who voted for him mean nothing.

What matters is he gets to bath in the spotlight. He’s perfectly happy to make Democrat and Republican lawmakers squirm.
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:52 PM   #4036
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All indications are the Democrats finally getting it right. Apparently their response is, “**** you, open the government.”
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:57 PM   #4037
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:59 PM   #4038
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This is why I hate politics

Trump breaks DACA

Then he holds government hostage

Then he offers to unbreak DACA for a few years in exchange for his wall

And now after his speech today his approval will go up and the dems will start to shoulder more of the blame if they rightly tell him to go **** himself because half the country doesnít understand the above and will think dems are just being obstructionists
Trump controls the executive and (largely) judicial branches which, of course, any DACA solution will have to rely on.

I only half-jokingly expect if anything like this "compromise" is agreed to, the second after Trump signs the bill he will turn to his advisors and demand that the DACA provisions not be executed and line up a team of lawyers to fight it in the courts.

This is why I, and many others, say the only proper response to this offer is a firm, loud, and public FU.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:12 PM   #4039
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Temporary DACA protections? LUL it's not Democrats that are hurt by DACA people not having protection. It's like if I slap you and then in retaliation you punch a random guy in the face. It's just random, cruel and completely unrelated.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:28 PM   #4040
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Temporary until the wall is built amirite so they can't come back amirite?
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:36 PM   #4041
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:38 PM   #4042
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In before every month of labor on the wall is worth one year of staying.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:40 PM   #4043
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Thatís the point. DACA as it stands now will always be subject to federal or judicial whims. It was only written because congress stalled out on the issue. If you get a legislative solution itís permanent and you can try to expand it (either cover more people or give more benefits) that is what Dems really have wanted from the beginning. To say thatís not worth an extra 20% if what has already been spent on creating a fence at the border doesnít make much sense.
Exactly. Heís offering temporary, we come back with permanent. He was only able to ďbreakĒ DACA in the first place because it was has an executive order.

How about this:

- Permanent DACA fix
- long term path to citizenship for current undocumented
- up Central American legal immigration by 400%

Would that be enough to let him have his stupid wall?
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:51 PM   #4044
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I don't understand what Mueller can do to prevent Cohen from talking openly about whatever he wants. When Cohen goes before Congress and they ask him about Trump and if he told Cohen to lie to them before, he'll say he can't answer that right now. Why? Does the SC just ask him politely to not speak about specific subjects? What are the penalties if he just blabs about everything? Obviously not a lawyer and I don't understand this aspect at all.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:55 PM   #4045
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Get your adderall crushed up before the speech boys and girls.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:58 PM   #4046
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presumably the US tv channels are all happily live streaming the dotard's latest political statement?
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:58 PM   #4047
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Yeah, waiting for a marble-sized chunk of white to ping off the podium, causing Hogan Gidley to scurry out there like a crazed ground scavenger and scoop it up. "He has a cold."
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:00 PM   #4048
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:06 PM   #4050
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If it is a temp DACA extension for 5.7b then it absolutely should be rejected and hopefully the Dems will.
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