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Old 01-19-2019, 10:33 AM   #4001
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re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

imo - Trump was all panicked about the Buzzfeed story so decided to cause some chaos with declaring emergency today. Now the Buzzfeed story is questioned though.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:51 AM   #4002
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buzzfeed is the mainstream media now?
Mainstream enough for the Mainstream Media to run with the article non-stop for the past two days. Seen more talking heads discussing it on the TV than the fact that estimates of children taken from their parents were a bit Ďoffí.
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:26 AM   #4003
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buzzfeed is the mainstream media now?
Saw someone on twitter saying there's a big difference between Buzzfeed and Buzzfeed News. Seemingly BN has got like 8 Pulitzer nominations in the last couple of years.
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:27 AM   #4004
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Mainstream media = any media that's not conservative media
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:16 PM   #4005
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Buzzfeed News ****ed up. Mueller drove a stake through whatever credibility that organization has managed to build up separate from "Buzzfeed".

Trump is going to twist that stake repeatedly until Buzzfeed News is devoid of respectable journalists.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:22 PM   #4006
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They really should have changed their name completely. Buzzfeed News is a horrible name for an organization trying to be a legitimate news source.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:35 PM   #4007
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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Individual 1, Thread 2, Year 3.

Buzzfeedís sources will end up being SDNY, who is handling a lot of the Cohen stuff and is leaky

They likely showed buzzfeed evidence of Cohen being asked to perjure himself but there is some subtlety that Mueller disagrees with in terms of how it was portrayed by buzzfeed (maybe no electronic evidence of trump saying it)

So there is something there but not exactly the way Buzzfeed put it

Thatís why Mueller didnít squash it completely but rather gave a lawyerly rebuttal of it.

Itíll end up being true that Cohen was asked to perjure himself but either trump did it through an intermediary or there is less hard evidence of trump doing it than BF led on and itíll depend on other people to corroborate or something similar

Because itís basically true but not in the way buzzfeed put it but at the same time the house is now Democrats and can act on it, Mueller wanted to speak out to slow the house down on going all in on this; but since he didnít say it was fully wrong, itís likely mostly true, just prolly not as hard of evidence on the don himself
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:39 PM   #4008
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Also, note that trumpís team didnít deny it at first but just called Cohen a liar because they know itís true he was asked to perjure himself and were worried that there may be evidence

But later Giuliani came out and categorically denied it...likely means Whitaker talked to Mueller and found out no hard evidence on his side and told trump that so Giuliani was able to deny...problem with having a loyalist for the criminal in that position
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:50 PM   #4009
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re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

I think the confused response from the Trump team is just them being confused hacks. Like every time Giulian does an interview there’s a fair chance he blows up his own client’s defense.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:56 PM   #4010
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Have no idea why everyone is talking this way. Starting a new forum on the interwebs is a piece of cake. I'd rather just stay on 2+2 because there's all the posting history and everything, but not like it's hard to create a new forum. We don't get many new posters these days and when we do people usually scream at them until they leave.
New forums aren't going to have people I've been talking with for 10 years on it.
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:03 PM   #4011
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Mueller basically said it’s totally wrong. I tried reading it other ways but given Mueller’s background and how he’s handled leaks so far, I just don’t think he’d deny Buzzfeed in the way he did unless Buzzfeed is just way off base.

My guess is Mueller has something but nothing close to a smoking gun.
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:07 PM   #4012
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Are you talking about something besides the tweet?
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:15 PM   #4013
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It's probably the correct political line for Trump to publicize his attempts at "compromise", even if his proposed compromises are complete horse****.
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:42 PM   #4014
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This whole buzz story is dumb

We all know he told Cohen to lie
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:46 PM   #4015
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But no mention of the priest stoles covered in childrenís semen.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:00 PM   #4016
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I think a permanent DACA fix (sounds like his offer will be 3 years) for a measly $5.7 billion is a win for everyone. But how will Anne coulter react?
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:05 PM   #4017
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I think a permanent DACA fix (sounds like his offer will be 3 years) for a measly $5.7 billion is a win for everyone. But how will Anne coulter react?


Itís not just 5.7 billion

Itís 5.7 billion to start a wall that will be an endless money pit grifters delight forever and ever

Also. Heís holding the nation hostage to get this project started

The response should be **** you **** your wall open the government.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:16 PM   #4018
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And then what's to stop him asking another 5 billion for the next CR, which is the end of Feb isn't it?
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:35 PM   #4019
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And then what's to stop him asking another 5 billion for the next CR, which is the end of Feb isn't it?
Possible. OTOH, it may be that he's desperately trying ANYTHING to get off the tiger. The worlds greatest negotiator painted his butt into a corner and has to break a window to get out.

He's smart enough to know (I think) that this would reset the news cycle and if something else shiny comes along (N. Korea, terrorist event, who knows) it'll leave him alone for awhile.

He just wants to play golf. I guess the questions to be answered are 1) Will the DACA deal be enough for Pelosi to go for it 2) Does the turtle go along.

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Old 01-19-2019, 02:39 PM   #4020
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And then what's to stop him asking another 5 billion for the next CR, which is the end of Feb isn't it?
I would hope that the deal would not just be for a one month CR. No reason they couldn't pass a CR for the entire fiscal year.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:42 PM   #4021
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If the response is anything other than “**** you, no,” I’ll be very, very disappointed and will basically go full Chapo Trap House from here on out.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:44 PM   #4022
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I think a permanent DACA fix (sounds like his offer will be 3 years) for a measly $5.7 billion is a win for everyone. But how will Anne coulter react?
Is it though? Trump literally broke DACA to begin with (even though he campaigned on not doing it) and ended TPS. Itís just different hostages heís taken to get what he wants.
 
Old 01-19-2019, 02:46 PM   #4023
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Now if he literally offered citizenship for the DACA kids in exchange for 5.7 billion for his lolwall, then sure, I’d snap call that. But that will never happen.
 
Old 01-19-2019, 02:48 PM   #4024
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I would hope that the deal would not just be for a one month CR. No reason they couldn't pass a CR for the entire fiscal year.
That's called a budget isn't it?
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:49 PM   #4025
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Lol remember when we used to have budgets instead of just staring down a cliff every 2 months or so. Ah, the good old days.
 

 
      

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