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Old 01-18-2019, 11:05 PM   #3951
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:07 PM   #3952
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:07 PM   #3953
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- Trump didn't explicitly direct Cohen to lie to congress, which is consistent with Cohen's allocution.
- Buzzfeed's two law enforcement sources are from SDNY. Maybe they had access to some info but got the details about lying to congress wrong, and Buzzfeed made a mistake running with the story.
- Mueller issued the statement because he doesn't want **** to get serious yet for fear of the investigation getting shut down or house dems acting too soon or whatever.

That said, it's interesting to me that Buzzfeed gave the story to SCO before it ran and they had no comment until today. Maybe that's a standard policy or something, I dunno. Or maybe they wanted it to run for some reason, possibly to track leakers?

The non denials by Trump's team are also weird in light of this, although who knows how much the spokespeople actually talk with Trump about details like this. Maybe they had no idea and were just being overly careful.
This is exactly what happened. As soon as i read that story I immediately thought “SDNY.” Mueller’s team doesn’t leak and somebody ****ed up some details here. Mueller denied it because **** was getting real (impeachment talk) based on a faulty story that he knew was faulty.

The other problem i had with the story when i read it was that it sort of implied that they had emails and texts from Trump showing that he directed Cohen, and honestly, I don’t think he knows how to email or text. He probably does everything in person or over the phone.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 11:10 PM   #3954
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How likely is it that Buzzfeed had information that no other media outlet had? I'm worried that Buzzfeed broke a story that other, more credible outlets had but were not comfortable publishing.
Very possible. Watergate nerds may remember that one bit where Woodward & Berstein ****ed up a minor detail in their reporting, which gave the Nixon admin ammo to hammer away at them. In the movie, this was the "I'll count to ten and you hang up" bit.

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Of all the reports out there, to break silence now? WTF? There has to be a strategic reason for the Mueller statement.
Possibly this was the first time something out-and-out wrong was published and they want to get the record straight. If you're Muller, you do have a public duty to make sure people aren't misinformed about your investigation.

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The non denials by Trump's team are also weird in light of this, although who knows how much the spokespeople actually talk with Trump about details like this. Maybe they had no idea and were just being overly careful.
ahaha, 100% this. All of them know full well Trump's a crook, so they by default assumed the story was completely accurate.

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Old 01-18-2019, 11:13 PM   #3955
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The Dossier itself most had when Buzzfeed published it, they just didn't want to run the story since they couldn't verify a lot of it at the time. Buzzfeed gives no ****s.
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:22 PM   #3956
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Very possible. Watergate nerds may remember that one bit where Woodward & Berstein ****ed up a minor detail in their reporting, which gave the Nixon admin ammo to hammer away at them. In the movie, this was the "I'll count to ten and you hang up" bit.
I was just recalling the scene in All the President's Men with Deep Throat when he's pissed at Woodward, "You shoot too high and miss, then everybody feels more secure."

In my mind, it's certain Trump directed Cohen to lie, one way or another. If there isn't a document then too bad for the good guys but them's the breaks.
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:25 PM   #3957
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:44 PM   #3958
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The other problem i had with the story when i read it was that it sort of implied that they had emails and texts from Trump showing that he directed Cohen, and honestly, I donít think he knows how to email or text. He probably does everything in person or over the phone.
Isn't Cohen the one who claimed to record some conversations? That was my hope here.
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:47 PM   #3959
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Isn't Cohen the one who claimed to record some conversations? That was my hope here.
Yeah, but the story referenced emails and text messages, not recordings.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 11:56 PM   #3960
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:08 AM   #3961
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I guess jman had a lapse of judgment, but ultimately came to his senses.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:11 AM   #3962
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Yeah, whatever, our forum can die with dignity. In my defense I’m currently recovering from surgery and a bit loopy.
 
Old 01-19-2019, 12:23 AM   #3963
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I was just recalling the scene in All the President's Men with Deep Throat when he's pissed at Woodward, "You shoot too high and miss, then everybody feels more secure."

In my mind, it's certain Trump directed Cohen to lie, one way or another. If there isn't a document then too bad for the good guys but them's the breaks.
You made people feel sorry for Haldeman! What a great movie/book. I hope the movie version of the Trump fiasco is as good.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:25 AM   #3964
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I suspect that Mueller wanted to keep all of this tight and under wraps to be more effectively used in the future. Quite frankly, it's impressive that this is the only notable leak there has been since his investigation started.

He's gotta be pissed about this.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:37 AM   #3965
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So Mueller probably doesn't have the receipts, but Trump and co obviously weren't sure yesterday if he had them or not.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:48 AM   #3967
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You made people feel sorry for Haldeman! What a great movie/book. I hope the movie version of the Trump fiasco is as good.
It inspired a lot of people to go into journalism, including a friend who just took a buyout from her editor job. She was probably just in love with Redford at the beginning. Anyway, it worked out for her. Most others couldn't say the same, I'm afraid. A new generation will be inspired by what we're seeing now, and they'll have their heroes too.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:54 AM   #3968
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Yeah, whatever, our forum can die with dignity. In my defense I’m currently recovering from surgery and a bit loopy.
I think your zealotry in Mason's threat thread was excellent and welcome. I think editing existing material is a bridge too far. We aren't going to gaslight an admin into thinking that this is a center-right forum where anti-Semitism isn't welcome but the rest of Trumpism is a first class citizen. He has a memory, and he has the software logs incl. time stamps if he cares. If he wants to squash liberal dunks on conservatives in toto, we should go down with dignity. If he just wants to color the tone a bit, we can adapt.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:57 AM   #3969
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read emptywheel on twitter for possible reason why sdny and sco have different spin on same facts
https://twitter.com/emptywheel/statu...38059284054018
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:58 AM   #3970
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This is exactly what happened. As soon as i read that story I immediately thought “SDNY.” Mueller’s team doesn’t leak and somebody ****ed up some details here. Mueller denied it because **** was getting real (impeachment talk) based on a faulty story that he knew was faulty.

The other problem i had with the story when i read it was that it sort of implied that they had emails and texts from Trump showing that he directed Cohen, and honestly, I don’t think he knows how to email or text. He probably does everything in person or over the phone.
To add for Jake a bit about the part he didn't comment on, it's fairly common for journalists to ask for a comment from relevant parties even if they are certain that their response will be "no comment" just so that they can put "so and so had no comment" in the story rather than have to say nothing and look derelict in their duties to talk to relevant parties.
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thank you wookie and jman for doing all you can to speak calmly and bring reason to the situation. I honestly could not have coped with the last 2 years if not for this forum and the posts in it. After the inauguration I went into a depression spiral that i'm pretty sure was nearly 100% due to all this craziness. It's my most reliable source of news and provides me with relief in an age where reliable news and relief is super exhausting to come by.
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thank you wookie and jman for doing all you can to speak calmly and bring reason to the situation. I honestly could not have coped with the last 2 years if not for this forum and the posts in it. After the inauguration I went into a depression spiral that i'm pretty sure was nearly 100% due to all this craziness. It's my most reliable source of news and provides me with relief in an age where reliable news and relief is super exhausting to come by.
Amen to all of this.
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Whoa, wtf happened? (thread to discuss shuttering politards)
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I was just recalling the scene in All the President's Men with Deep Throat when he's pissed at Woodward, "You shoot too high and miss, then everybody feels more secure."

In my mind, it's certain Trump directed Cohen to lie, one way or another. If there isn't a document then too bad for the good guys but them's the breaks.
"Michael, I hope you can find a way to tell congress I had no dealings with this Moscow project."
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