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Old 01-18-2019, 01:16 PM   #3826
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Pence could find himself trapped on an elevator alone with a woman who's not his wife and suffer a fatal heart attack before he has a chance to get his VP confirmed
lord hear our prayer

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Old 01-18-2019, 01:19 PM   #3827
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did border patrol and ICE get worse at their job in the past month?
It's hard to bravely fight drugs and criminals when you're not getting paid.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:20 PM   #3828
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Carrying a prayer rug = almost certainly a terrorist

Logic checks out.

Also, the chance that these prayer rugs, if they exist, are actually bed rolls that you could buy at any camping store is >95%
They're probably carpet squares for bouldering that rock climbers use to clean off their shoes before trying a problem. I have to guess there are some bouldering areas along the border.

Edit: sorry missed the obvious answer which is the ranchers are lying bigoted ****ing racists.

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Old 01-18-2019, 01:27 PM   #3829
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Narrator: It didn't matter
Yeah turns out that out of the 60 million voting Republicans 59.9 million are completely dissociated from reality and will believe a random chain email over a years-long FBI investigation
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:28 PM   #3830
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Also, the chance that these prayer rugs, if they exist, are actually bed rolls that you could buy at any camping store is >95%
Don't be silly, we all know that random border ranchers are all experts at identifying Muslim prayer rugs.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:31 PM   #3831
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Hot take: "Trump directed a witness to commit perjury" is a better impeachment case than "Trump committed perjury."
Not even a warm take imo.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:37 PM   #3832
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Trump: our border patrol is great and they are heroes, but also they are powerless to stop a caravan that has media members following it and updating their location
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:38 PM   #3833
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Another tweet, another felony count for witness tampering/intimidation/obstruction of justice
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:54 PM   #3834
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I think the right move on impeachment is not to overthink things.

If there is a rock solid case that Trump committed an impeachable offense (e.g., the Buzzfeed article completely checks out and the proof is good), then Democrats should impeach. If the evidence basically amounts to a he said/she said* (e.g., Trump's conversations with Comey), then it probably is not the correct political move.

* I of course realize that Trump is almost certainly the liar in any such dispute.
I think this is right. Just look at the Kavanaugh stuff - pretty clear he did it - but the hearings likely helped R's shore up support from their base (polls showed that their/Trump's approval increased even though Kavanuagh's fell).

I'm not sure I'd say rock solid, but it needs to be corroborated beyond witnesses. It's too easy for R's to launch ad hominem attacks on Cohen's character, but if there are records it'll make it much tougher for them to just dismiss it out of hand.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:07 PM   #3835
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I doubt she's looking at any bombed out schools, or meeting any impacted locals. Whoever is controlling the security will present what they want her to see which is basically what the Pentagon wants her to see. Maybe I'm a cynic but I don't see this type of visit changing anyone's perspective on war.
I've flown a lot of codel's around Afghanistan. I got the impression they saw whatever they wanted. They would typically fly to wherever the focus of the war was, which in most cases was far from sanitized. Lots of meetings with US + Afghan military. If there's an effort to sanitize what they see it's done as an uncoordinated effort across all levels of leadership across all branches of all coalition countries. As in, yeah, Matt Golestyn probably didn't reveal he was murdering prisoners but they probably left with a pretty good idea about what our goals were at the lowest levels and what we were doing to accomplish them.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:15 PM   #3836
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Did the previous caravan get through? I recall the majority of them still stuck in Tijuana.

Their Fitbits died so they stopped walking. Imagine the steps you could rack up on that track
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:22 PM   #3837
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People on my fb network who id have been surprised if they could even name one politician other than trump are SCREECHING about the shutdown. I’d bet his actual approval is in the low 30’s.
Deplorables have short memories. Maybe there's a little wavering but once the shutdown ends, it'll be forgotten by history and he'll be closer to 40%. Hell, people will remember Trump serving McDonald's more vividly than the shutdown.

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Because we know that ranchers who haven't seen a Muslim in their lives can tell the difference between a welcome mat and a prayer rug.

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None of it matters. Haven't these idiots figured that out yet. Trump could go through a town and rape all of the babies in it and nothing would happen.

Removing him from office is a pipe dream no matter what happens.

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The recent The Atlantic article on impeachment makes the case that impeachment is a win-win for the Dems. They win if they get a conviction and Trump is gone, and win even if he is acquitted because of how all of Trump's crimes will be all over the news for weeks or months. I'm not sure if that is the case but the Dems do need to come up with a plan that in the event they do impeach, that it is a no-lose scenario for them.
There's no doubt that with the right timing, Democrats could hijack the media with committee after committee and hearing after hearing of Russia-Trump collusion. Actually, it'd be interesting to start doing that as Trump is running for reelection. Having that blocking out all of the Trump propaganda would be pretty strong.

Sure they won't impeach but the news will be enough to keep him out of office for a second term and possibly cause even greater damage to the party as a whole.

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One thing about the Dems not pursuing impeachment: if they don't, this is going to go in the pile with every other scandal as a relative nothing-burger that gets forgotten in a few months and it's just another example of Trump being Trump. "Man, he makes them liberals mad."

They have to escalate this to solidify the significance imo. Them being weak-willed about going after the STRONGMAN could also deflate fervor for opposition voter turnout. "Why back the cowards, what's the point?"
True but is this enough in a Trump Presidency to successfully remove him from office?
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:31 PM   #3838
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If the Mueller report contains things even in the ballpark of the BuzzFeed article, they will have to impeach. Dems also need to start the house investigations ASAP because it will get even messier if impeachment and the re-election campaign are going on at the same time. I do think impeachment sometime later this year is becoming increasingly likely.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:34 PM   #3839
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I don't know, he's still got his base...

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Old 01-18-2019, 02:36 PM   #3840
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Trump throwing all the greatest hits at the wall today. Seems shook.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:39 PM   #3841
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I know it's kind of conventional wisdom that impeaching Trump is not a great plan for the Dems, and I know I used to believe that too, but I'm struggling to remember why exactly. There's no point to passing legislation, so there's not an opportunity cost. I guess you could worry that winning the removal vote has a tendency to clear Trump's name (lol!), but that seems a little far-fetched, and it seems likely that Trump will lose anyways. In addition, there's a benefit to forcing GOP members to taint themselves by voting to keep Trump in office even with smoking-gun evidence of crimes (which I assume exists).
The worry has traditionally been that it clears the way for a more focused and competent Trump in the form of President Pence. I'm not incredibly up to speed on Pence's current alleged degree of involvement and culpability, so the 'President Pelosi' stuff seems a bit previous to me.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:46 PM   #3842
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The interesting point about trump's and guiliani's reaction to the buzzfeed story is that they don't say that the story is "fake news", instead they say that Cohen is a liar. Cohen makes no comment.

I would say that this reaction makes the likelihood that the story is broadly true much higher.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:46 PM   #3843
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I don't know, he's still got his base...

I'll be honest, I didn't think Boris Johnson had that in him.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:48 PM   #3844
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I don't know, he's still got his base...

The titty twerking in that video is remarkable.

And I hate to say but the face paint on that girl is really impressively done.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:49 PM   #3845
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I don't think Pence would be that scary. He'd be a lame duck with low approval imo - I don't think there is a voting block for choir boy neoconservatives anymore.

What scares me is the next GOP candidate.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:50 PM   #3846
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do juggalos tend to break for trump, as a group?
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:51 PM   #3847
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I like that people are just randomly dunking on MAGA Haberman for no special reason.

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Old 01-18-2019, 02:55 PM   #3848
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The interesting point about trump's and guiliani's reaction to the buzzfeed story is that they don't say that the story is "fake news", instead they say that Cohen is a liar. Cohen makes no comment.

I would say that this reaction makes the likelihood that the story is broadly true much higher.
Of course it's true.

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Old 01-18-2019, 02:58 PM   #3849
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The titty twerking in that video is remarkable.

And I hate to say but the face paint on that girl is really impressively done.
The video is funny and also the guy who made the video is definitely not a Trump supporter, he does parody videos like this all the time.
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Old 01-18-2019, 03:05 PM   #3850
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I don't think Pence would be that scary. He'd be a lame duck with low approval imo
He knows how to actually govern, though, and would be able to get more done than just shouting into the Twitter void. A Dem controlled House limits the damage he can do but he can pull off all kinds of fun shenanigans.
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