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Old 01-16-2019, 07:48 AM   #3476
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Just read the last two days of this tread, which wasn't very illuminating. There's a ton going on now, with the NATO stuff the most shocking, but also Manafort filing, idiotic shutdown manuvers by Mayor McCheese, sliding approval because of delusional understanding of midterms and general political dynamics, Barr, investigation of FBI general counsel, sanctions vote in Senate. I think Trump has definitely lost the plot and button mashing isn't working. Gonna be a fun month. Looking forward to State of Union and Cohen testimony. Looking Nixonesqe, but Donnie and his anti-american supporters will keep pressing.

Almost everyone competent has fled, now Trump's mainly surrounded by sychophantic PR hacks.
I recently spoke with someone who works closely with Republicans in the Senate, and he indicated that when Trump tanked the CR bill in December, that was the last straw for many Republican Senators. I asked wtf they are doing, then while all this crazy **** is going on, and he essentially said that they are waiting for a time that is opportune for them. I threw out the Muller report and he wouldn’t say anything. My guess is that they are waiting for the Mueller report to give them the political cover they need to “cross” the base.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:59 AM   #3477
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I make jokes here, but President Donald Trump treating the Clepmson players to a state dinner of Quarter Pounders is legitimately hilarious. The sort of wonder that was literally unimaginable just a short time ago and something should bring us all together as a country. It makes me legitimately sad that there are people so depraved and ill that they can't take pleasure in all this.

Does anyone know what Keeeed was saying back when Chaney shot some dude in the face? Braying about how it took the focus of the debacle in Iraq?
Guys, I think it’s important to once again remind everyone that one time, Obama wore a tan suit.
 
Old 01-16-2019, 08:00 AM   #3478
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I recently spoke with someone who works closely with Republicans in the Senate, and he indicated that when Trump tanked the CR bill in December, that was the last straw for many Republican Senators. I asked wtf they are doing, then while all this crazy **** is going on, and he essentially said that they are waiting for a time that is opportune for them. I threw out the Muller report and he wouldn’t say anything. My guess is that they are waiting for the Mueller report to give them the political cover they need to “cross” the base.
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:04 AM   #3479
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Didn’t want to read that whole thread and get aids. Am I correct that Inso thought that bananas evolved into birds? Lol.
 
Old 01-16-2019, 08:33 AM   #3480
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:34 AM   #3481
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Didn’t want to read that whole thread and get aids. Am I correct that Inso thought that bananas evolved into birds? Lol.


Only into the yellow ones. Stop trying to create an atmosphere of illogical reasoning around his arguments by omitting this. We know you did it on purpose.
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:39 AM   #3482
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:50 AM   #3483
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:56 AM   #3484
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I recently spoke with someone who works closely with Republicans in the Senate, and he indicated that when Trump tanked the CR bill in December, that was the last straw for many Republican Senators. I asked wtf they are doing, then while all this crazy **** is going on, and he essentially said that they are waiting for a time that is opportune for them. I threw out the Muller report and he wouldn’t say anything. My guess is that they are waiting for the Mueller report to give them the political cover they need to “cross” the base.
This doesn't make all that much sense. Senate Republicans can reopen the government any time they want.
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:16 AM   #3485
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I think the problem is that if Trump vetoes they will be seen as going against Trump and even overriding a Trump veto seems sort of like a soft impeachment. They definitely will want to have enough cover to evade the Republicans civil war of 2019.
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:40 AM   #3486
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Yup. Anyone who doesn't realize this is a clear messaging win for Trump is delusional. And the more folks dwell on it the more clear of a win it is for Trump.

It is not possible for anyone to lick boots harder than you.
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:43 AM   #3487
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ITT: People who also would've **** on the President for having a traditional "high end" catered meal while furloughed feds are pawning their grandmother's wedding ring to afford Ramen during the shutdown.

Meanwhile, 18-21yo college athletes who probably aren't allowed to eat fast food during the season are excited to see something they know they'll like, rather than having to pretend to enjoy beef pâté and caviar.

Are you guys really that oblivious to how ridiculous you appear to normal people?


Edit: President Obama and cheeseburgers: A love story -- Look how cool and just like us he is, guys!
Had he decided on the food and not crowed about how great he was for serving the ****, nobody would give a damn. Its his blowhardness, not his idiot decisions themselves.
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:46 AM   #3488
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Yes, I’m sure McDonalds was much better. Lol at all the real elitists in here thinking that poor people celebrate big occasions by going to freaking McDonalds. Finding a good BBQ joint that is a few bucks more is a only for the elite like Inso over here.
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That's because these athlete visits normally don't include food. It's a photo op and a tour, but the shutdown means that none of that staff was available.

Guy made the best of a bad situation and you're frothing about it just because of who he is.
Holy ****, Inso is lying about something that os easily resesarched again? Color me ****ing shocked.

I take back my previous post about Keed and bootlicking. Inso made it obsolete like ten posts later.
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:53 AM   #3489
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I think the problem is that if Trump vetoes they will be seen as going against Trump and even overriding a Trump veto seems sort of like a soft impeachment. They definitely will want to have enough cover to evade the Republicans civil war of 2019.
This may be an accurate description of how they see the situation, but it in no way reflects reality. If that's how they see the situation, it just emphasizes how deeply Republican legislators have debased themselves in service to Trump, which tells you all you need to know about how to interpret any claims that they will grow a spine and attend to the needs of the country on the crossing of some vaguely specified future Rubicon.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:08 AM   #3490
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Democrats are not getting enough credit for how they’re handling the shutdown. Admittedly it’s pretty obvious strategically, but to my knowledge not one of them is publicly trying to be the “reasonable” guy looking to “bridge differences” or whatever. A unified “**** you and your stupid wall” message is under appreciated, imo.
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Democrats are not getting enough credit for how they’re handling the shutdown. Admittedly it’s pretty obvious strategically, but to my knowledge not one of them is publicly trying to be the “reasonable” guy looking to “bridge differences” or whatever. A unified “**** you and your stupid wall” message is under appreciated, imo.
Once again the Onion nails it.

Chuck Schumer Honestly Pretty Amazed He Hasn’t Caved Yet
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:33 AM   #3492
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:29 AM   #3493
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I think the problem is that if Trump vetoes they will be seen as going against Trump and even overriding a Trump veto seems sort of like a soft impeachment. They definitely will want to have enough cover to evade the Republicans civil war of 2019.
Yeah, this is the way I interpreted the conversation. Essentially, the shutdown isn’t hurting many R. Senators at this point, ie they don’t really care about it, but Trump’s incompetence, hanging them out to dry in the CR debacle, did damage them, and those type of things are what they fear/hate the most, evidently.

For many (all?) senators, there are multiple realities. Basically, whatever their constituents believe is the reality they operate in because none of them will tell a constituent, you’re dumb and ignorant. So that’s one reason Fox/conservative Media is so powerful, because they essentially control the reality for the Republican constituency. At least, that was my takeaway from the conversation with this person. I have no idea whether he’s right, but I give greater weight to his opinions than any opinions I read on here or in the news.
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This may be an accurate description of how they see the situation, but it in no way reflects reality. If that's how they see the situation, it just emphasizes how deeply Republican legislators have debased themselves in service to Trump, which tells you all you need to know about how to interpret any claims that they will grow a spine and attend to the needs of the country on the crossing of some vaguely specified future Rubicon.
See my post above, but this person literally told me that there are “multiple realities” for senators.
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These Senators are doing quantum mechanics, it seems.
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Democrats are not getting enough credit for how they’re handling the shutdown. Admittedly it’s pretty obvious strategically, but to my knowledge not one of them is publicly trying to be the “reasonable” guy looking to “bridge differences” or whatever. A unified “**** you and your stupid wall” message is under appreciated, imo.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:50 AM   #3498
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See my post above, but this person literally told me that there are “multiple realities” for senators.
This just seems like standard cognitive dissonance. What they're actually going to do is slavishly follow Trump and Fox News, but they want to believe that they're capable public servants who deserve to be entrusted with their constitutional powers of office and who are smart enough to understand that the shutdown is an insane fiasco that's really destructive and unjustifiable. How do you bridge the gap? With some fantasy story about how they are just biding their time, waiting for the opportune moment to step in and take a brave stand. I mean, even in your friend's telling, the shutdown was the "last straw," but somehow they are still waiting on additional straws to land before it's time to act. In the real world, the time to act was long, long ago.
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This just seems like standard cognitive dissonance. What they're actually going to do is slavishly follow Trump and Fox News, but they want to believe that they're capable public servants who deserve to be entrusted with their constitutional powers of office and who are smart enough to understand that the shutdown is an insane fiasco that's really destructive and unjustifiable. How do you bridge the gap? With some fantasy story about how they are just biding their time, waiting for the opportune moment to step in and take a brave stand. I mean, even in your friend's telling, the shutdown was the "last straw," but somehow they are still waiting on additional straws to land before it's time to act. In the real world, the time to act was long, long ago.
I don't think you need to go that far into delusionland to find them. Being aware that going against Trump will hurt their chances of re-election is enough to explain behaviour.
They don't need to tell themselves that they are doing it for a greater good. Some of them may think that but most likely not all of them.
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ITT: People who also would've **** on the President for having a traditional "high end" catered meal while furloughed feds are pawning their grandmother's wedding ring to afford Ramen during the shutdown.

Meanwhile, 18-21yo college athletes who probably aren't allowed to eat fast food during the season are excited to see something they know they'll like, rather than having to pretend to enjoy beef pâté and caviar.

Are you guys really that oblivious to how ridiculous you appear to normal people?


Edit: President Obama and cheeseburgers: A love story -- Look how cool and just like us he is, guys!
I know I'm a couple hundred posts late, but I had to point out that this is just so ****ing wrong. I understand that things like motivated reasoning exist, but you'd have to have literally no idea how things work to come up with this take.
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