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Old 01-10-2019, 06:19 PM   #2501
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Unfortunately, you are operating on one of the even-numbered levels and getting the wrong answer, when being either a level up or a level down would work just fine. Sure the wall doesn't matter in a practical sense, but the practical consequences of a shutdown don't really matter to Democratic decisionmakers either, as long as the voters blame them on Trump. So, why give Trump a political victory (the wall) in exchange for bailing him out of an ongoing political trainwreck (the shutdown).

Obviously, they aren't going to message it that way, they're going to say they oppose the wall (true!) and think Trump should reopen the government and negotiate in a normal way for his priorities rather than using bullying and hostage-taking to get his way (also true!), because those things sound better to the voters.

EDIT: To put it more concisely, you may be right that both sides are unmoored from policy arguments, but the GOP is also unmoored from the political argument too.
I agree -- I'm not saying the Democrats should give the money for the wall. I'm saying the Democrats treating the policy as crucially important is very dumb and transparent -- for example, Pelosi saying a border wall is immoral. So they should argue on political/procedural grounds, which has the benefit of being why they're actually not giving into Trump.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:21 PM   #2502
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Exactly.

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Old 01-10-2019, 06:22 PM   #2503
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I agree -- I'm not saying the Democrats should give the money for the wall. I'm saying the Democrats treating the policy as crucially important is very dumb and transparent -- for example, Pelosi saying a border wall is immoral. So they should argue on political/procedural grounds, which has the benefit of being why they're actually not giving into Trump.
That seems like very bad political messaging advice. People are going without paychecks, you can't just say you're doing it to **** with the opposition.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:27 PM   #2504
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That seems like very bad political messaging advice. People are going without paychecks, you can't just say you're doing it to **** with the opposition.
but...that is why they're doing it? And everyone knows it? What's the point of transparently lying that 5 billion for a wall is actually crucially important one way or the other?
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:30 PM   #2505
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Can he call the emergency and then have the dems tie it up in court for the next 2 years until we get another president?
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:32 PM   #2506
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does everyone in here realize that the 5 billion is only the first part of the stupid wall?
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:38 PM   #2507
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but...that is why they're doing it? And everyone knows it? What's the point of transparently lying that 5 billion for a wall is actually crucially important one way or the other?
So that people can't cut attack ads over video of you saying you shut down the government over politics? Why would you not lie and say the policy was important?
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:40 PM   #2508
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Because it's a transparently false and dumb lie? But what the hell, maybe you're right, kewero for example seems to buy it.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:41 PM   #2509
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:42 PM   #2510
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re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

If you give 5 billion now, Trump will force another shutdown to get more money. And then you'll be in a worse position to stop it.

Dems have learned from Obama's mistake.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:43 PM   #2511
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How high can the fence be before the fence is anti-American?
Who cares? Trump isn't proposing half measures.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:46 PM   #2512
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Because it's a transparently false and dumb lie? But what the hell, maybe you're right, kewero for example seems to buy it.
Who cares if it's transparently false? If someone's mad about the shutdown, you just say you thought stopping the wall was really important and play the video of Trump saying he owns the shutdown. You can't lose.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:52 PM   #2513
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Who cares if it's transparently false? If someone's mad about the shutdown, you just say you thought stopping the wall was really important and play the video of Trump saying he owns the shutdown. You can't lose.
But you can do the same thing based on procedural and democratic norms arguments. If we give in to Trump's shutdown demands there will just be more shutdowns, we can't let this be the norm, etc. And that case has the benefit of being true!

And who cares if "not spending 5 billion on a wall is crucially important" is a transparent lie? Well, the guy mad about the shutdown might care if he concludes the Democrats are transparently lying about their motivations for the shutdown.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:55 PM   #2514
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If Trump refused to sign any finance bill that didn't include $5billion for a red cross to be painted on the front door of every black person in America I swear keed would be in here arguing that the dems should stop being so transparently dumb and dishonest, it's not about the red crosses on black people's doors, they should just give him the money and let the government function.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:01 PM   #2515
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Scavino must have watched You're The Worst last night.

Fitting title for this President as well.
Lol thought the same ****ing thing. Sad to know that someone on that level might enjoy my favorite show.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:02 PM   #2516
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It’s flat out extortion, that’s why. Get these weak ass policy arguments out of here. King baby wants a wall and he’s holding everything else hostage.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:20 PM   #2517
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Cohen's motivations are very nebulous to me at this point
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:29 PM   #2518
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wherever would this forum be without keeeeed concern trolling democrats might be doing something republicans have done with complete impunity so many times it doesn't even register anymore
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:30 PM   #2519
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but...that is why they're doing it? And everyone knows it? What's the point of transparently lying that 5 billion for a wall is actually crucially important one way or the other?
why can't the Democrats be more intellectually honest, he asked
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:30 PM   #2520
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I can't believe anyone still engages with the moron troll.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:33 PM   #2521
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Democrats: dumb and transparent by engaging in the mildest form of politics
Republicans: stanning on a daily basis for a senile racist who literally can't spell coffee or forest

two sides of the same coin
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:34 PM   #2522
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And who cares if "not spending 5 billion on a wall is crucially important" is a transparent lie? Well, the guy mad about the shutdown might care if he concludes the Democrats are transparently lying about their motivations for the shutdown.
Narrator: He doesn't.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:36 PM   #2523
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Even Mikey has a fund.... https://uk.gofundme.com/hqjupj-michael-cohen-truth-fund

The Truth Fund.... ��

I'm I as late as Dom... ��
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:43 PM   #2524
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Democrats: dumb and transparent by engaging in the mildest form of politics
Republicans: stanning on a daily basis for a senile racist who literally can't spell coffee or forest

two sides of the same coin
Ill say it again—Dems self-evaluate because they have empathy
Republicans are intellectually dishonest because they lack empathy
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:51 PM   #2525
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So MNBC and CNN strategy parade all the folks that are suffering from the shutdown and Fox parade all the folks who had a family member killed by an Illegal immigrant

Fox went to a small town and interviewed 4 folks at a café (old & white) Woman says we support Trump he understands us and grew up like us? Sadly the reporter didn't say your daddy gave you millions

What a farce
This is like the greatest con he has pulled off. He grew up in NEW YORK FREAKING CITY.
 

 
      

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