giving polling data to russia, getting russia's online troll farms to target close areas during the election to spam low info people. trump campaign uses the emails stolen by russian spies openly throughout the campaign.

then, trump is super soft on russia diplomatically. even goes out of his way to **** on nato, talking about defunding it and even calling it obsolete, just a whole bunch of russia-specific policy ideas that aren't coming from the republican party at all

oh and he's lying about it the whole time even after he got caught.

collusion.

In your own words, what was the "smoking gun" for Nixon, why did it lead to his resignation, and why is this so much worse than what Mueller showed Trump did?

It’s just the hurr durr gotcha that Nixon wasn’t technically impeached.

Those trolls are all so f'ing dumb.

A fine student of history and supporter of Trump like him should still be able to answer these.

also insisted the russians didn't hack the e-mails (it could've been some fat guy), after everyone figured out the russians hacked the e-mails.

I actually disagree with cuse, nixon wasn't brought down until after they actually did impeachment investigations/hearings. There's too many low info voters out there. There were a LOT of people saying Nixon was innocent/witch hunt (same **** nothing ever changes) and casuals just thought it was all partisan bickering until they actually did something.

Also, the dems have to avoid the trap of letting the R's win on some of this **** by focusing on a carrot rather than the entire stick.

It's interesting, people out here thinking they should run on policy when I don't believe the majority of voters give a **** at all about any of that. I'd guess they're better off with "trump bad don't vote for trump". Sure, don't make that the entire focus but I don't believe in "voters really care about x" when they've shown little sign of doing any of that ever.

Him pushing Brexit was always odd.

Can you please elaborate as to how the Mueller report put the "collusion with Russia" argument to bed? Use your own words (don't just use quotes from Dear Leader/Sean/Tucker), cite pages in the report and explain in detail. Thanks! I think that could lead to some vigorous debate with a little bit of fun and leave us both more enlightened.

First of all, Mueller referenced the DOJ opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted. As a result, Trump was never being indicted no matter what. Thus, the conclusion that no charges = exoneration is bogus.

Second, there is a difference between criminal conspiracy and layman's collusion. Basically the defense the right is falling back on is, "Well it wasn't illegal!"

Okay, that may or may not be true - it's the opinion of Trump's hand picked crony AG. However, if it's not, we need to update our laws... Because Trump and his campaign worked with a bunch of foreign intermediaries to collude with the Russian government. Their saving grace was a layer in between and ineptitude. The intent was there and the end result was there.

And by the way, most of us have been saying for quite some time now that Trump was never going down himself in this.

Yes, it does suck a great deal that this racist ******* gets to be president for two more years. It's depressing that he gets to keep trying to separate kids from their parents and locking them in cages. I guess some people may feel all warm and fuzzy inside about that, and actually support it, which makes them colossal pieces of **** who should **** off. I certainly hope you're not one of the people who feels that way, because I would hate to insult you!

Nixon didn't have Fox News, though.

Wasn't 2016 based around "Trump bad, don't vote for Trump?"

Wasn't 2018 based around policy?

Voters may not care about intricacies of policy, but they care about jobs/wages and healthcare. Tell them how you're going to improve their healthcare and put more money in their pocket, and convince them a vote for you is better than a vote for the other guy in those departments and you win.

The only ones who give a **** whether Trump is impeached/jailed/etc are always always always voting for you anyway. The danger is having the group that wants to hear about jobs/wages/healthcare think that instead of focusing on that stuff, you're focusing on presidential harassment. That's how you lose in 2020. The message will be, "The crazy radical leftist Dems are more interested in harassing our president than improving your jobs/wages/healthcare and keeping you safe."

That will stick if the next 12-18 months are about impeachment and investigations. Investigate him quietly, don't make a big deal about it, call it due diligence and push jobs/wages/healthcare constantly at every level.

Nixon didn't have Fox News but the country was more backwards then.

You sure about that?

Quite sure of it.

Call me when the National Guard rolls up on a major university and opens fire.

Or go talk to older gay and/or black people.

Yeah, I know, but three things:

1) This country is still pretty backwards.

2) Things seem to be getting worse, not better.

3) In terms of fealty to the president based on the letter next to his name, I think we're more backwards now than we were then (and mostly due to Fox news).

I will say seeing documentaries and listening to podcasts about how messed up things were during Nixon's presidency does give me more hope than just about anything else that we can move on from this one...

This country is backwards because leftists and liberals rather argue about who is the holiest holy person to lead us and that's the way it's always been instead of doing what needs to be done and grinding the right into dust.

Things have gotten progressively better for lgbt people, women, and black people in the past thirty years. And today more people stood up for refugees than they would've forty years ago. There's still a lot of work to do to get this society away from the ugliness.

As bad as Trump is. He may have been what the left and liberals needed. A reality check. I am guilty of thinking the ugliness was mostly a thing of the past until Trump. Now I know the struggle is real.

Gotta say I am enjoying cuse's attempts to argue in good faith with conservatives who post here. Maybe the fact that none of them ever reply except with more low-grade trolling can make an appearance when we present our next State of 2+2 Politardia Report to Mason.

Did you actually read any of the released report or did you just rely on breitbart and Fox News to tell you what to think?

Words have meanings fellas......

Did Mueller and his friends indict anyone for colluding with the Ruskies to throw the election illegally? Please point out where that happened?

There is no crime called “collusion.” Mueller indicted 34 people and 3 businesses. Mike Flynn and Roger Stone were both convicted for their illegal activities conducted relating to their coordination with Russia on the Trump campaign’s behalf. Don Jr certainly colluded, as the report explains in great detail, but Mueller decided it was unethical to prosecute the mentally infirm.

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Easy peazy.... Mr. Mueller and his merry band of men had all the resources of the FBI, DOJ and every other segment of the greatest information gathering organizations in the history of the world with a gaggle of partisans working with him and didn't find evidence sufficient to indict a ham sandwich.

Mueller's actions tell me that. What about you.... got some conspiracy theories.... ohhhh Trumpkins talked to Russians....weeeeeee.......

But there certainly ARE crimes to engage with foreign nationals to pervert the outcome of federal elections and Mueller found none of this.... maybe some other campaign was guilty of this offense?????

Time will tell.....

The Democrats won't get much political traction out of the Mueller report except among their hardcore strategically oriented base. For most ordinary folk who are not obsessed with politics the whole business is not sufficiently clear and has a slightly conspiratorial flavor to it. Although the evidence may be completely and plainly on one side of the argument to the person who takes the time to read it carefully and is able to properly contextualize it (that is understands the sorts of people involved and how they behave, and the sorts of institutions involved and how they behave - something most of us are not really prepared to judge well as most of us do not move in these contexts), to many it's hard to differentiate the Mueller report from stories about Vince Foster. There's not something there that makes people already voting for Trump feel disillusioned, and there's not enough there to convince people already disillusioned with the political process. Those fed up with the lying, cheating, miscreant political class just see more political strategy shenanigans from both sides; the clarity isn't there for this to do much more damage to Trump than it already has, which isn't that much.

Before nprandomnumbers pulls you up on this, this is not actually true. Flynn was convicted of lying to the FBI about having discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador. Stone was indicted for lying and witness tampering but has not been convicted.

We don't know for sure that Trump didn't know about Flynn's conversation with the ambassador, but it appears he didn't, because:

This is the problem with having a moron at the helm. Trump was not in control of the particulars of what was going on. His campaign staff were frequently acting unilaterally.

Even if Flynn was on his own there, Trump hired Flynn after Obama among others expressly advised him not to, citing security concerns.

How about this? On July 27, 2016, Trump said this in a public speech:

The 2018 indictment of 12 GRU agents alleged this:

Is that illegal from Trump? No. I mean there's no quid pro quo there and he's not helping them do it. But he's asking them to illegally get him information, right out in the open, and they're doing it! If that's not "collusion" (which is not a crime) then the word has no meaning.