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04-16-2019 , 12:00 PM

#14326

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NYT: Barr Affirms Trump’s Innocence Following Mueller Disclosures

04-16-2019 , 12:01 PM

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in theory they could leak the unredacted report or even the whole case file, but that seems unlikely

04-16-2019 , 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by econophile

in theory they could leak the unredacted report or even the whole case file, but that seems unlikely

how about leaking specific sections that Barr redacted in a way they felt was inappropriate? Doesn't seem far-fetched to me.

04-16-2019 , 12:15 PM

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...bama-gop-field

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Former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore leads the field of potential Republicans vying for the chance to challenge Sen. Doug Jones (D), a year and a half after Moore lost what was supposed to be an easy election in a deep-red state.

A new poll shows Moore leading a still-evolving field of Alabama Republicans competing for the nomination. He is the top choice of 27 percent of Alabama Republican voters, according to the Mason-Dixon Polling & Strategy Inc. survey.

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Moore remains a deeply polarizing figure, even among conservative voters in the state. A third of Alabama Republicans, 34 percent, say they have a favorable impression of Moore, while 29 percent see him unfavorably.

04-16-2019 , 12:16 PM

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Man it's just inconceivable how a lifelong Republican cop could go along with whatever a Republican AG stooge decided was the best way to disseminate info. You would have to have existed in the real world for at least a whole minute before you could begin to understand how that would play out.

04-16-2019 , 12:18 PM

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So Mueller is in on the conspiracy to undermine the Mueller investigation. Such a power play by Trump, hats off. Masterful.

04-16-2019 , 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

So Mueller is in on the conspiracy to undermine the Mueller investigation. Such a power play by Trump, hats off. Masterful.

lol Like I said, you have to exist in the real world to get it, not in keeed fantasy argue everything from first-principles imaginationland.

04-16-2019 , 12:24 PM

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She needs to quit congress and go off the grid.

F that. She needs to come out and say, "All you psycho followers of Donald Trump don't scare me. I won't stop fighting for what I believe in and if you want to show how tough you are by threatening a 105lb woman then feel free, but it won't stop me from fighting for the American people."

04-16-2019 , 12:24 PM

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The idea Trump won't accept a 2020 election loss seems more and more plausible

04-16-2019 , 12:26 PM

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lol Like I said, you have to exist in the real world to get it, not in keeed fantasy argue everything from first-principles imaginationland.

OK man, walk me through it. Why would Mueller and his team be perfectly content to inappropriately let Barr hide important information from the public about the investigation they they spent two years of their life working on?

04-16-2019 , 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

So Mueller is in on the conspiracy to undermine the Mueller investigation. Such a power play by Trump, hats off. Masterful.

We'd have to see the summaries Mueller wrote on the investigation to know what he thought but Barr hid those and wrote his own.

04-16-2019 , 12:27 PM

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We'd have to see the summaries Mueller wrote on the investigation to know what he thought but Barr hid those and wrote his own.

In a couple of days we'll get to read the report, so who cares?

04-16-2019 , 12:28 PM

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They aren't, that's why there have been leaks from within the team stating the report was more damaging than Barr claimed

04-16-2019 , 12:29 PM

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It's pretty absurd that they even had to put out a response to his nonsense.

04-16-2019 , 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

How about his logic will be something like: he did his job by submitting the report, doesn't want to be part of the political process, and now is leaving it up to congress/the public to decide what to do in however way they'd like to proceed.

04-16-2019 , 12:30 PM

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In a couple of days we'll get to read the report, so who cares?

No we won't, we'll see a watered down version that Barr puts out to make the president look as good as possible.

Mueller's summary would have explained everything without needing redactions.

We both know why Barr hid those

04-16-2019 , 12:34 PM

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* Unless you're the POTUS, and every golfer who votes for him should be ashamed. Honestly to anyone who has ever golfed, the stories about him golfing should be disqualifying in and of themselves. They demonstrate his horrible character and complete lack of regard for others. If I was totally clueless as to his politics, and saw him kick a ball into the fairway and drive his cart right up to the green, I'd already know all I needed to know. You want to measure someone's character in four hours? Go play a round of golf. You'll see him or her in moments of triumph, dejection and frustration, and get a good idea of their moral compass.

This, this, and more this.

04-16-2019 , 12:41 PM

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I don't know. Why would he? How about you walk me through your own guess first. Thanks.

04-16-2019 , 12:45 PM

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Which makes sense as long as Barr isn't withholding important information from the Congress. Why would Mueller and his entire team (many who are Democrats) let Barr get away with withholding his investigation's important findings from the public and the Congress?

04-16-2019 , 12:51 PM

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Because Barr will use a pretextual legal argument to justify the redaction, and it is Congess’s job to challenge Barr’s argument with Trump’s Supreme Court being the ultimate arbiter of their dispute. At a minimum, giving Trump lots more time to delegitimizate the report and claim he has been exonerated (with your help, of course).

You know, a corruption of the legal process that you have absolutely zero trouble understanding when used against your freak boy, Assange.

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04-16-2019 , 12:51 PM

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They can say that some of the redactions are inappropriate and hide important information. Mueller and his team supposedly helped in the redactions, and if Barr redacts some additional stuff that Mueller or his team think is important to make public I don't see what would stop them from saying so. I suspect that Mueller or his team making statements like that would attract some media attention.

Heavens-to-Betsy, media attention! Well, I’m sure that will scare Trump and his associates straight.

04-16-2019 , 12:56 PM

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Because Barr will use a pretextual legal argument to justify the redaction, and it is Congess’s job to challenge Barr’s argument with Trump’s Supreme Court being the ultimate arbiter of their dispute.

You know, a corruption of the legal process that you have absolutely zero trouble understanding when used against your freak boy, Assange.

I don't think it would be illegal for Mueller or someone on his team to publicly say that Barr's redactions of the report were inappropriate, too broad, or hid crucial information that ought to be public. And that itself would be a major story. And of course Mueller or his team could anonymously leak the relevant unredacted sections of the report, either to the Congress or to the press.

04-16-2019 , 12:58 PM

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Stop engaging ikes

04-16-2019 , 12:59 PM

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in theory they could leak the unredacted report or even the whole case file, but that seems unlikely

The President’s son released emails where he was gleefully collaborating with an intermediary of the Russian government to obtain dirt on Hillary. That had zero impact on Trumps’s base and his enablers. I don’t think they are concerned about a biased report complied by angry, crooked Hillary supporters. The only things that are going to possibly make any meaningful difference at this point is a massive electoral victory or violence. Neither of these seem likely.

04-16-2019 , 01:07 PM

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How could a Republican convince another Republican that the information which was withheld was necessarily done so for security/privacy/whatever reasons? Heavens it must be impossible!

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