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03-31-2019 , 08:57 PM

#12876

fuluck414

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My mom went on an extended riff about trumpian common sense the other night. I was trying to explain to her why him cancelling funding towards the northern triangle would actually lead to more refugees at the southern border.

03-31-2019 , 09:16 PM

#12877

Trolly McTrollson

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I'm hoping trump's businessbro friends talk him down from actually closing the entire Mexican border, otherwise, gg US economy.

03-31-2019 , 09:22 PM

#12878

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I'm hoping trump's businessbro friends talk him down from actually closing the entire Mexican border, otherwise, gg US economy.

Eh, I am kinda rooting for him to shut down the border so as to rustle some rich people.

03-31-2019 , 09:24 PM

#12879

gregorio

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I hope he tweets BORDER'S CLOSED! and nobody knows what he means including himself

03-31-2019 , 09:29 PM

#12880

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fuluck414

My mom went on an extended riff about trumpian common sense the other night. I was trying to explain to her why him cancelling funding towards the northern triangle The Three Mexicos would actually lead to more refugees at the southern border.

03-31-2019 , 09:29 PM

#12881

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Eh, I am kinda rooting for him to shut down the border so as to rustle some rich people.

You think poor people aren't going to be hurt if we shoot the economy in the nuts?

03-31-2019 , 09:35 PM

#12882

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

You think poor people aren't going to be hurt if we shoot the economy in the nuts?

In a long term shut down, yes, but I would expect this charade to be pretty short if it happens due to massively rustled rich people. Obviously I am against a shut down of more than a few days.

03-31-2019 , 11:01 PM

#12883

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Originally Posted by GMan42

I feel like a lot of less intelligent people believe very strongly in the idea that they and their peers have a ton of common sense that "book-smart" people lack. This is why when Trump starts going on about how simple the solutions are to everything, and how he'd have it all fixed by now if the liberal eggheads weren't getting in his way, it fits right into that worldview.

This. Tons of people think this way, I'd argue probably quite a big chunk of people with above average intelligence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I'm hoping trump's businessbro friends talk him down from actually closing the entire Mexican border, otherwise, gg US economy.

On the other hand, if he closes down the entire border for long enough, he'll cause a ton of damage to the economy, own it and it'll probably hurt him quite a bit in 2020.

That said, my guess is that his idea of closing the border is not letting immigrants in, but that he'll be more than happy to keep letting imported/exported goods flow.

He's more likely to line up the Marines along the border and order them to shoot on sight than to cut off all imports from Latin America.

03-31-2019 , 11:21 PM

#12884

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

That said, my guess is that his idea of closing the border is not letting immigrants in, but that he'll be more than happy to keep letting imported/exported goods flow.

I never know if I should take him seriously but not literally or vice-versa. Shutting off trade to Mexico would be an extinction-level event for the US economy, so I guess we're all banking on someone talking him down or lawsuits or something from stopping this.

03-31-2019 , 11:26 PM

#12885

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I do love how Republicans whine about how we can't afford a GND to preserve our ecosystem but then blithely toss out the idea of burning half a trillion dollars in trade because we don't want any more brown people coming over. How do we pay for a border shutdown? Why isn't anyone asking the Republican leadership the same question they ask of house freshman AOC? Someone on CNN needs to ask Mitch McConnell how he's planning on paying for a $500 billion embargo on Mexico.

04-01-2019 , 12:16 AM

#12886

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$100B trade deficit with Mexico. No trade = we're $100B richer. duh.

04-01-2019 , 12:37 AM

#12887

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Mike Tirico hit the shot of his life, a 230-yard 3-wood towards an elevated green he couldn’t see. But he knew it was close. When he got to the putting green, however, Tirico’s ball was nowhere to be seen. Instead, it was 50ft left of the hole in a bunker. It made no sense – until Trump’s caddy caught up with him after the round.

Tirico was quoted as saying: “Trump’s caddy came up to me and said, ‘You know that shot you hit on the par 5? It was about 10ft from the hole. Trump threw it in the bunker. I watched him do it.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...heats-new-book

04-01-2019 , 01:47 AM

#12888

canopen

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I think we should totally ban asylum. Rather than coming to the USA, stay in your own country and fix things. I have no problem with sending them a bunch of guns to help out if needed.

04-01-2019 , 01:50 AM

#12889

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I think we should totally ban asylum. Rather than coming to the USA, stay in your own country and fix things. I have no problem with sending them a bunch of guns to help out if needed.

I think more asylum seekers should come here and you should move somewhere like Antarctica.

04-01-2019 , 01:51 AM

#12890

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Originally Posted by canopen

I think we should totally ban asylum. Rather than coming to the USA, stay in your own country and fix things. I have no problem with sending them a bunch of guns to help out if needed.

Are you including white Christians being persecuted in their countries in this, or do they get an exception to your no asylum policy?

(Which of course is stupid in a million other ways, but I figured I'd go straight to the heart of the matter.)

04-01-2019 , 01:53 AM

#12891

Johnny Truant

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Originally Posted by canopen

I think we should totally ban asylum. Rather than coming to the USA, stay in your own country and fix things. I have no problem with sending them a bunch of guns to help out if needed.

Let me guess. You have never moved from your hometown, or even neighborhood. You just stayed there and made opportunities for yourself and family because that’s where you were born.

04-01-2019 , 01:53 AM

#12892

Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by canopen

I think we should totally ban asylum. Rather than coming to the USA, stay in your own country and fix things. I have no problem with sending them a bunch of guns to help out if needed.

What’s wrong with asylum?

04-01-2019 , 01:55 AM

#12893

canopen

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Illegal immigration could be stopped overnight. Simply fine and/or jail employers that hire illegal immigrants. The powers that be, SSA/IRS, know who these employers are because the illegal aliens use fake Social Security numbers.

The employers know that they can be fined/jailed for not paying FICA taxes for illegal aliens but there is no penalty for continuing to employ them.

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04-01-2019 , 02:00 AM

#12894

Johnny Truant

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And we do send the guns there. And the money that funds the drug cartels, and corruption.

04-01-2019 , 02:00 AM

#12895

canopen

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I favor a generous work visa policy in industries such as agriculture, meat processing, construction, landscaping and food service that can't attract American workers . But I don't think you should be able to get residency based on a sob story.

04-01-2019 , 02:01 AM

#12896

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Originally Posted by canopen

Illegal immigration could be stopped overnight. Simply fine and/or jail employers that hire illegal immigrants. The powers that be SSA/IRS know who these employers are because the illegal aliens use fake Social Security numbers.

The employers know that can be fined/jailed for not paying FICA taxes for illegal aliens but their is no penalty for continuing to employ them.

You're wrong. There are plenty of people who work off the books. Plenty of employers and workers willing to break the law. I know your answer is that we need to be more of a police state.

Illegal immigration actually could be stopped overnight though.

Also, you are far worse for this country than asylum seekers or immigrants, legal or otherwise.

04-01-2019 , 02:04 AM

#12897

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Thanks for sharing canopen, you seem swell

04-01-2019 , 02:04 AM

#12898

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Originally Posted by canopen

I believe the population of Antarctica is overwhelmingly white. You should consider it.

04-01-2019 , 02:18 AM

#12899

canopen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I would guess for every one immigrant soliciting jobs in the Home Depot parking lot there are a thousand more working in the industries I have previously named. This is permitted because of economic benefit that this causes for their employer but also for the relatively low prices for those goods in the USA.

Last edited by canopen; 04-01-2019 at 02:27 AM.