I like the idea of coal-powered 737's. Anything to get us back to the days when there wasn't so much technology and stuff.

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Just as long as we put the split second decision making back where it should be: in the hands of tired, dumb pilots and not some complex computer system.

Crazy, someone approached me a while ago trying to sniff me out about potentially taking college entrance exams for other people. Was a pretty easy no but i wonder how close to this that guy was.

Depends.

Complex system failures are, well, complex. As I understand it, one of the main cornerstones of the theory is that generally speaking a single "error" rarely is enough to crash the system - it generally takes a sequence of improbably occurrences to cause system failure. Any change to a complex system introduces potential for new forms of failure - which seems to be likely involved here with new software introduced that the pilots either weren't trained enough in - or worse yet were incorrectly trained in to deal with whatever happened. Pilots aren't dumb - or at least aren't dumb about flying. They may be dumb about something they haven't been exposed to.

Way too soon to know what happened on these two flights - but it's concerning that weather doesn't seem to be an issue and that AFAIK no one is suggesting that these were controlled flights into terrain types of accidents, and there are no credible reports of structural failure prior to the crashes - the planes just more or less fell out of the sky. Some sort of software **** up seems most likely. We'll see....

MM MD

Airplanes are difficult to fly I just can’t

FYI New Orleans literally is opening a brand new entire airport this year. I doubt they've put a lot of effort into improving the current one over the last few years.

There's already a name for the Jewish Exodus. It's called "Exodus". This one should "Exodus II - this one is also mostly fiction"

Trump is paying 9 holes for the title games while President.

Way too soon to know what happened on these two flights - but it's concerning that weather doesn't seem to be an issue and that AFAIK no one is suggesting that these were controlled flights into terrain types of accidents, and there are no credible reports of structural failure prior to the crashes - the planes just more or less fell out of the sky. Some sort of software **** up seems most likely.

Quoting myself, but whatever. Thinking about it a little more, the software statement is a little bit too much handwavy. From what I can tell, it's a VERY small debris field, meaning the plane hit the ground nose down going VERY fast - which could mean the plane had stalled for some reason, in which case the remedy is nose down speed up - and they ran out of altitude before they could recover. Or, some kind of catastrophic mechanical problem occurred which resulted in a dive into the ground that the pilots couldn't control - or suicide, like the German Wings flight. The small debris field makes a terrorist attack less likely - an explosive decompression event could explain it, as the only piece of the plane missing initially would be a cargo door which might be tough to determine - and if the event caused loss of the control equipment, the low altitude would result in a small area of impact, rather than scattering debris all over. But the pilot seemed to know he was in trouble, he just couldn't figure out what was going on. Pilot error seems less likely given the 8000 hours of experience - but if the pilot had some sort of medical disaster the copilot was VERY green - only 200 hours. At least a possible issue, I suppose.

I think the first one is most likely - failure to recover from a stall. The question is why the stall occurred. At relatively low altitudes like this flight, problems with the pitot tubes/airspeed indicators would be the most likely cause, but AFAIK the pilots didn't say anything to indicate they were worried about that sort of problem. They just said they couldn't control the plane, which could mean any number of things. The data recorders should help a lot, if the data is recoverable - which Boeing better hope it is. Planes falling out fo the sky - bad. Planes falling out of sky for no reason, or at least for no reason you can determine, could put you out of business.

MM MD

Sounds like the worst US airports are those at world cities that accommodate a million people a week and the best are in podunk towns with 10 flights a day. Interesting.

I'll take Meaningless Comparisons for $1000, Alex.

Bad... or Rad?

This is bad point because the TSA is pure theatre. It’s tested over and over and something like 70-95% of contraband gets through.

yeah. i show up at the airport in my city 25 minutes before flights and have no problems with anything. i mean i can fly about 3-4 places directly, but the airport itself is a breeze.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/11/u...hner-book.html

I know it's been posted before but the shots at Jared are incredible. I will say Trump is right about the religious thing, though.

I’ve got a flight via Southwest on a 737 MAX next month to a poker tournament. I understand that these incidents are so tiny with how many flights there are, but part of me wants to change my flight.


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i would cancel that flight right now and if they couldn't refund me i'd just take the loss

please everybody just make a thread about airplanes and air travel if you're not gonna talk about trump

he stole a championship from one of his club members because simply being president of the united states still isn't enough for him. we're a don jr indictment away from invading ottawa

People approach me ALL the time (like once every other month or so) about potentially taking GMAT/GRE/LSAT. I've been offered 10k+ at times. Some people really think nothing of cheating.

This is a Singapore Airport-level post.

1-how do you know it's a max?
2-which is not the 737-800
3-when airplanes get swapped out frequently anyway
4-and if it is a systemic problem the planes will likely be grounded by then

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1. Seat Guru
2. It’s a Max
3. Cant answer that.
4. Precautions seems reasonable even if it’s a 1% chance of occurring again.


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Narrator: He isn’t a Greenpeace founder. He left the organization over 30 years ago and works as a CO2 lobbyist.

So Trump can make up any story he wants (aka repeat made-up stories from Fox) and put it out on twitter and half the country believes him?


Narrator: Yes.

Thread on this on oot. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...iness-1738504/