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Originally Posted by cuserounder
What is the win? That he only got part of what he wanted and not all of it, while they got nothing? That's an odd definition of a win.
I think the win here is that he gets such a pathetically small part of what he wanted (and Hannity has already said it's a terrible deal) that if he accepts it, he could lose base support. It will take a magnificent amount of spin to make it seem like a win, especially if he doesn't have the support of Hannity, Coulter, et. al. And just as Trump put himself in a lose/lose by being blamed for the shutdown and having his polls take a hit, but then getting flamed for being weak when he ended the shutdown, he is in a similar lose/lose here.
This of course will only matter if the Dems are able to get the message out well based on what happens. Yes, the Dems should've asked for something but I JUST had this thought:
The Dems want to make an offer to Trump that is super pathetic but appears as if they're negotiating in good faith. They want there to at least be a CHANCE that he accepts it. They have 2 options:
1. Give him the crap offer but not ask for anything (the current offer)
2. Give him the crap offer and ask for something small, such as the temporary DACA protections that he'd offered in his pathetic offer during the shutdown.
#1 is better for 2 reasons. First off, there is a ZERO percent chance he takes offer #2, because even his offer during the shutdown when he offered this for much MORE money for the wall, he was raked across the coals by the far right. So he would never take an offer where he's giving up the same thing, but getting so much less.
Other reason: The Dems had turned down his offer calling it a non starter. It would be a bad look if they then made an offer asking for the same thing (even if extended DACA protections might be worth giving him 55 miles).
Any way you slice it, even if this seems like a small loss for Dems, it's a bigger loss for Trump. Shutdown, accepting a bad deal, or national emergency, every one of his options here is unpopular.
It would've actually been so baller if Pelosi had been like, "I'd like to announce that i'm actually going back on my word when I said not one single dollar for the wall. I've changed my mind. We are offering exactly that, one dollar for the wall. Our treat. And we don't even want anything in return." And then pull out a single and flick it off her palm making-it-rain style.
The best part about this deal is that the amount of mo es they're offering ($1.6 B?) while seemingly substantial, is less than he could've had before the shutdown, another great talking point that is already being addressed.