The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 197 - Politics and Economics

So both fail and it won’t be opened temporarily which seems like a decent outcome in terms of increasing pressure on republicans to pass a longer-term clean resolution.

Republicans voted unanimously for a clean resolution in December and now all but 6 voted against that exact same bill after the government is now greatly harming 800k+ people and the economy, with no reasoning other than taking the knee for a Trump.

It seems like public opinion should increase its blame for trump and republicans and reduce it for Democrats until it hits just the trumpian base.

So pressure should only increase to pass a clean CR and stop taking the government hostage.

The problem is that Trump just simply does not care about people, so the people caught up as hostages will continue to be hurt, which is another actual crisis.

It’s going to take those 800k protesting en masse by the majority calling in and refusing to work for free before there is enough pressure on trump and republicans to reopen the government.

Yeah I empathize a lot for those people being screwed. Obviously I think lol going to work and not getting paid, but they don’t want to lose their job and they hope it will end soon and be made whole.

The problem with that is they will just be used as a tool in the future unless they collectively make a stand and make doing this so unpalatable it stops happening.

Again I can’t tell people to do that, it’s a huge risk. I just want them to really think about if a job where they can regularly not pay you for long periods of time is worth it. The government actually prevents private employers from doing just that so it is insane the federal government can do it.

01-24-2019 , 05:43 PM

#4902

lol_at_you

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Lamar Alexander? That old jizz bucket grew a conscience?

I know we're supposed to be nice now, but "old jizz bucket" is being way too kind to Alexander.

01-24-2019 , 05:48 PM

#4903

Namath12

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Originally Posted by Dr Reality

After watching Guiliani threaten Cohen's father in law, I am thinking(hoping) rudy is going to be arrested for said behavior.

I guess this is a longshot?

They arrested one Trump lawyer why not another?

01-24-2019 , 05:51 PM

#4904

Nicholasp27

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Federal courts still basically shut down starting in February?

01-24-2019 , 05:52 PM

#4905

nyc999

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Originally Posted by otatop

It appears so, they couldn't even get their wall funding bill to an actual vote, lol.

Dem bill looking like it has a better chance but will probably also fail:

Love how the "moderate" Repubs go against the party, but they still get to 51. No coordination at all.

01-24-2019 , 05:57 PM

#4906

synth_floyd

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Kushner, the master strategist:

01-24-2019 , 06:03 PM

#4907

alazo1985

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

WAAAAAAAY too optimistic. It's a midterm, likely with a Democratic president.

2018 was our best shot at taking the senate for several cycles, and it didn't happen.

No—the 2018 Senate map was awful for Dems and 2020/2022 are actually good

This was also assuming an ideal world with free and fair elections and no Republican ****ery—I.e. not meant to be a realistic prediction.

No disenfranchisement by itself probably would give Dems a 2-3 point net swing

01-24-2019 , 06:08 PM

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I'm confused by Tom Cotton not going along with Trump/Republicans. I can only assume the CR wasn't bat**** crazy enough for him.

01-24-2019 , 06:09 PM

#4909

JonnyA

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Dems bill getting more votes that Trump bill should be major talking point. Fact that majority of Senate and House support D bill should be harped on non-stop to make no doubt that this is a Trump shutdown.

01-24-2019 , 06:11 PM

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JonnyA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Kushner, the master strategist:

Maybe McConnell was trying to show Trump how much of an idiot Kushner is by allowing the vote? Not sure why else he would allow votes if he knew what the outcome would be.

01-24-2019 , 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alazo1985

No—the 2018 Senate map was awful for Dems and 2020/2022 are actually good

2020's better than 2018 but it's still not great, Rs have a lot of seats up for grabs but most of them are in strong R states so Dems have to try to pick off seats in Maine, Colorado, Arizona, and Iowa while they defend Doug Jones in Alabama.

01-24-2019 , 06:16 PM

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markksman

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https://mobile.twitter.com/WillieGei...66960927592448

01-24-2019 , 06:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

This.

The 2020 map sucks big time.

The 2022 map is much more promising, but it will be a midterm with a Democratic president (hopefully).

01-24-2019 , 07:21 PM

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TheHip41

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Originally Posted by Dominic

...so what does this mean?

It means **** his racist wall

01-24-2019 , 07:22 PM

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Clovis8

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Can’t believe he is doing the emergency order.

Next dem president has to immediately declare healthcare emergency and institute single payer.

01-24-2019 , 07:25 PM

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Riverman

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Jared Kushner is a walking advertisement for the estate tax

01-24-2019 , 07:37 PM

#4917

master3004

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Lamar Alexander? That old jizz bucket grew a conscience?

Doubt it. Hes pulling money from somewhere for that vote.

01-24-2019 , 07:57 PM

#4918

Dominic

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Because, Florida

01-24-2019 , 08:04 PM

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Dominic

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01-24-2019 , 08:15 PM

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I'm confused by Tom Cotton not going along with Trump/Republicans. I can only assume the CR wasn't bat**** crazy enough for him.

He and Lee voted against it because it included the temporary DACA relief. They must not have gotten the memo that it was a decoy.

01-24-2019 , 08:17 PM

#4921

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eyebooger

This.

The 2020 map sucks big time.

The 2022 map is much more promising, but it will be a midterm with a Democratic president (hopefully).

2020 while an uphill battle, is still much better than 2018.

01-24-2019 , 08:18 PM

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whosnext

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To borrow a line from yesterday's criticism of Sarah Sanders, calling Ted Cruz a "hypocrite" is way too kind. He deserves heaps and heaps of scorn and condemnation.

01-24-2019 , 08:23 PM

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uDevil

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Garrett Morris itt.

01-24-2019 , 08:28 PM

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Riverman

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All these GOP turds are the idiot kids who inherited daddy’s car dealership. It will end horribly, but for a while they’re actually in change with the ability to mess up people’s lives.