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Lol trumping a poll that shows people saying there is a problem at the border. It should be 100%. Everyone here thinks there is a problem at the border.

yo shut the **** up with this bull**** who do you think you're talking to

And we know how he feels about animals.

There are two dead kids in the past 2 months. There is definitely a crisis at the border.

god that ****ing picture makes my blood boil every time i see it

Problem is that it's too easy to recant on that promise. After all, Trump is not known as a guy keen on keeping promises.

Another issue is that it will set precedent for future deals. Providing money for a wall is a concession that Trump is correct about there being a border crisis. It's also a subtle approval of racism against immigrants by the Dems even if they get DACA in return.

On top of that, it gives Republicans more leverage in future deals. This isn't just a one time thing. The wall will be a constant issue that the Republicans will use to hammer the Democrats in future elections. No matter how much the Dems acquiesce, it will never be enough. It will never be built even if they got $1 trillion for it because it's more valuable as an election-winning weapon than a physical item.

He is right that it would be a total waste of time. Each side knows what the other side wants and that they are unwilling to budge. The "meeting" was nothing more than a stunt to portray Trump as a strongman to his supporters. They don't view it as Trump throwing a fit and running away. They view as him telling the Democrats to go **** themselves.

The only thing that brings me some sort of joy is that he is likely the unhappiest person in America right now. He never wanted this job. He wanted to use it as a jumping off point for other business ventures. Somehow, he ended up winning and he's no longer able to do whatever he wants like he did in the past. Acting the strongman worked in the business world. Politics is showing him to be not a strongman but a cowardly bully who runs away every time somebody doesn't do what he wants them to.

Trump dying is what will do it.

Few people are saying that. Most people see border security as a need. However, there is a difference between securing a border against letting in criminals and villainizing immigrants as a group. Building a wall will justify the latter.

It'll probably be treated the same way the Senate Intelligence Committee treated the CIA torture scandal where a summary is released. The full report is probably treated like The Pentagon Papers where it stays classified for 40+ years before finally being released.

The argument is likely that the act of illegally emigrating to the US makes them criminals. Since they are criminals, they can be punished as criminals by being jailed or deported.

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So much winning going on.

Actually kind of believe Trump there. (Edit: re the no slamming)

Based on his long history of telling the truth and stable demeanor?

"Working in overdrive"

Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy to go out of his way to exert energy unnecessarily especially if it requires physical movement.

Important clarification. This makes all the difference.

No, I dunno, I just think Trump is too passive-aggressive, basically. I'd expect him to leave and then take it out on one of his staffers.

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Really does look like this is his hill to die on. Going to be an interesting next few weeks.

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WHO ARE WE YELLING AT?

He's been president for almost two full years. Why the **** isn't it great yet?

I guess I was right about Trump's plan to save face by declaring a national emergency and then losing the inevitable court challenges. Per CNN:

There are dozens of stories of him yelling and swearing in meetings. It’s a mortal lock he slammed the table and stormed out.