The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Harm to Ongoing Matter - Page 84 - Politics and Economics

People are still way overvaluing Mueller it seems. Your best case is Junior gets indicted and pardoned.

The chances of Trump being indicted are near zero and nothing from the investigation will move the needle in 2020, which is all that really matters.

01-09-2019 , 09:39 AM

#2077

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

He's plainly kind of a weirdo though, not the guy you want to be any kind of voice for the movement. But if he's on board, sure, why not.

Having a cynical, no position, weathervane like daou twist in DSA's direction is a promising sign. I think the Opportunist Window could be a better predictor of political winds than the Overton Window.

01-09-2019 , 09:40 AM

#2078

Kafja

adept

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 941

Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

good post. it's obvious everyone involved is guilty as sin of pretty much everything they're accused of, and it hasn't mattered at all. the hogs will never turn on trump, and therefore nor will elected republicans. #resistance dems are gonna spend all of 2020 whining 'but the independent investigation said he was guilty' and being confused when it doesn't work, because they're stupid babies who still believe in the kayfabe where america is good and fair and just (lol)

01-09-2019 , 09:56 AM

#2079

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kafja

“Hasn’t mattered at all”

Flynn. Gonna go to jail
Manafort. Jail
Cohen. Jail

The investigation isn’t even over. When it is, it’s going to show rampant crime for decades

This post should age well

01-09-2019 , 10:02 AM

#2080

Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by champstark

At this point, I’m not sure what purpose opinions such as this serve? Uh, no kidding, there is virtually no chance that Trump will spend time in prison for any crimes he has committed. That doesn’t mean there is still not huge benefit in behaving as if the rule of law holds sway, or should hold sway and apply to the powerful. We should not give up behaving as if truth matters, either, even though the Republican Party and media establishment a wholly committed to creating their own reality. Muller’s report matters and we should treat it seriously and expect other people to treat it seriously.

01-09-2019 , 10:06 AM

#2081

realDonaldTrump

WITCH HUNT!

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01-09-2019 , 10:18 AM

#2082

kre8tive

veteran

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01-09-2019 , 10:27 AM

#2083

fatkid

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It’s not like he met the spy in a dark alley guys, he’s known this spy for a long time so this is all above board. This is some funny ass ****.

01-09-2019 , 10:31 AM

#2084

alazo1985

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

I guess once Barr gets confirmed and doesn’t recuse himself, he will take over Mueller investigation thus Rosenstein won’t be doing that either way.

It’s just so bad that Trump was able to get rid of Sessions solely because he wanted his own AG to control the Mueller investigation and now he is getting away with getting his own guy in there to control the Mueller investigation.

I think they gambled correctly that now that the House is controlled by dems, people wouldn’t be as outraged at a slow motion Mueller squashing

But we need the Mueller investigation to continue unimpeded.

Rosenstein has said before (can’t find it quickly) that he wouldn’t leave until it was to a point that he felt it was beyond interference. He has insisted he is leaving freely and is not being forced out. This may mean that the investigation is entering a new phase

01-09-2019 , 10:36 AM

#2085

realDonaldTrump

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01-09-2019 , 10:37 AM

#2086

JordanIB

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Forrest Gump Management?

01-09-2019 , 10:39 AM

#2087

eyebooger

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He spelled it that way twice.

01-09-2019 , 10:40 AM

#2088

Clovis8

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Shouldn’t he just send a million rakes?

01-09-2019 , 10:45 AM

#2089

markksman

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Originally Posted by realDonaldTrump

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Umm...

01-09-2019 , 10:46 AM

#2090

dth123451

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“Guys, Trump may have laundered money for various international scumbags, but he’s been doing that since the 1980s. I see no evidence of an issue here, this is a longstanding business practice of the President.”

01-09-2019 , 10:48 AM

#2091

biggerboat

you're gonna need one

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Stupid is as stupid does.

01-09-2019 , 10:50 AM

#2092

Namath12

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Originally Posted by alazo1985

The POG politics thread is interesting there are actually Trump supporters there

Yeah! And as you've already discovered it's a very welcoming place

Quote:

Originally Posted by soah

Hi alazo,

This thread is restricted to members of the POG community.

01-09-2019 , 10:50 AM

#2093

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,065

Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

Umm...

Can't spell forest, could identify Greenland though...

01-09-2019 , 10:50 AM

#2094

DodgerIrish

Fraudulent Zodiac

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Benedict Arnold had some ongoing relationships too.

01-09-2019 , 10:53 AM

#2095

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Those are a lot of nice words about the way things should be, but unfortunately they have little do with reality.

This is like the "when they go low, we go high" stuff.

All that matters at this point is getting as many Democrats who aren't corporate stooges into power and then ramming through Medicare for all, increase taxes, fix civil rights, expand SCOTUS, etc. Future proofing things as much as possible, by any means necessary. Republicans do not give a ****, so we shouldn't either if we don't want to see non-rich, straight, Christian, white males suffer for eternity.

01-09-2019 , 11:00 AM

#2096

eyebooger

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 58,681

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

Yeah! And as you've already discovered it's a very welcoming place

It's a reasonable rule. It was way worse in there before that policy was implemented.

Just play some games there first and you'll be fine.

01-09-2019 , 11:07 AM

#2097

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by champstark

Even for a tough, hard-headed realist like yourself, isn't a criminal investigation into the president kind of beneficial for purposes of getting members of the other party elected? Or is the only required electoral strategy here just to demand the enactment of your preferred policies with great conviction and intensity? Kind of disappointing that no one ever thought of that before.